I feel like there are a bunch! [Send]Wave is maybe the most central example, but Just Foods, UPSIDE Foods, Mission Barns also qualify. Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods also I think were founded for EA-ish reasons (and e.g. Impossible received an investment from OP) though I think their founding teams are less involved with EA.
Anthropic, DeepMind, and OpenAI also arguably qualify.
I do think that “making money + having an impact” is strictly harder than “making money” though, which does present a challenge to founders.
What aspect of it do you think is absurd? My impression is that most EAs would rather not take credit for OpenAI, and many OAI staff are similarly skeptical about EA, but it nonetheless is the case that EA seems to have been relatively influential in the founding of OAI, development of key technologies like RLHF, and some OAI staff are to this day motivated by EA principles. Their roles are listed on the 80k job board as one (bad) metric.
Interesting take on what is considered an “EA org”, I think I was talking cross purposes a little. I agree absurd might be too strong a word.
I completely agree EA has been influential in founding OAI, and developing key technologies, and that some of the staff are motivated by EA principles, and that their roles are listed on the 80k job board (which personally I don’t agree with but that’s a whole nother discussion).
My (relatively uninformed) take is that EAs were at least a significant part of OpenAI’s foundation and growth, but now the vast majority of EAs (I would guess 60-80%) would consider OpenAI’s existence quite a significant net negative to the world and so it would no longer be considered an “EA org”, even if it was at some stage.
Would be an interesting thing to do a poll on actually, @Nathan Young ? “Do you consider OpenAI to be an “EA Organisation”.
I feel like there are a bunch! [Send]Wave is maybe the most central example, but Just Foods, UPSIDE Foods, Mission Barns also qualify. Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods also I think were founded for EA-ish reasons (and e.g. Impossible received an investment from OP) though I think their founding teams are less involved with EA.
Anthropic, DeepMind, and OpenAI also arguably qualify.
I do think that “making money + having an impact” is strictly harder than “making money” though, which does present a challenge to founders.
Oops, forgot about clean meat startups! A good EA friend of mine even co-founded Gourmey 😅
I had this question cached as “outside of the cultured meat space” but forgot about the qualifier
I know this is a side issue, but calling OpenI an “EA org” seems a bit absurd at this stage to be at least, can you explain what you mean by that?
What aspect of it do you think is absurd? My impression is that most EAs would rather not take credit for OpenAI, and many OAI staff are similarly skeptical about EA, but it nonetheless is the case that EA seems to have been relatively influential in the founding of OAI, development of key technologies like RLHF, and some OAI staff are to this day motivated by EA principles. Their roles are listed on the 80k job board as one (bad) metric.
Interesting take on what is considered an “EA org”, I think I was talking cross purposes a little. I agree absurd might be too strong a word.
I completely agree EA has been influential in founding OAI, and developing key technologies, and that some of the staff are motivated by EA principles, and that their roles are listed on the 80k job board (which personally I don’t agree with but that’s a whole nother discussion).
My (relatively uninformed) take is that EAs were at least a significant part of OpenAI’s foundation and growth, but now the vast majority of EAs (I would guess 60-80%) would consider OpenAI’s existence quite a significant net negative to the world and so it would no longer be considered an “EA org”, even if it was at some stage.
Would be an interesting thing to do a poll on actually, @Nathan Young ?
“Do you consider OpenAI to be an “EA Organisation”.
also a bunch of forecasting orgs — Manifold, Metaculus, Good Judgement Project, Hypermind, etc