Yeah based on the evidence of what GiveWell actually have given most grants to in the past I would have gone with this as what I think GiveWell meant and what I would personally like the most.
“only make decisions with a decent standard of evidence or to gather more evidence”
I think it makes sense to have separation, and have Openphil in doing higher risk bets undet your heuristic of “make the best decision we can under uncertainty”. Why have 2 different bodies doing the same thing with largely the same pool of money?
But yes you might be right that at least now maybe both GiveWell and Open Phil are meaning and doing that.
Fair enough, I guess my take from all this is that you mainly just want the all grants fund to have a different philosophy than the one GiveWell is following in practice? Or do you also think they’re making a mistake by their own lights?
I just originally thought that the All Grants fund has stuff with a decent evidence base, but less certainty then the top charities. So still more certainty than most other funders in the world.
Nearly all of the charities there would fit that description so I think they were following that practice. So yes I thought they were making a mistake somewhat by their own lights, or maybe taking the fund in a bit of a different direction.
Or Maybe I was just wrong about what they were trying to do.
And I expect this to increasingly be the case in the future, as GiveWell finds new donors and OpenPhil finds other things to donate to. So I wouldn’t say it’s “largely the same pool of money”
Agreed. GiveWell also takes outside donors and OpenPhil doesn’t. I’ve donated to the all grants fund because I wanted to help with risk tolerant and fast giving after the aid cuts, and am glad the opportunity exists
Yeah based on the evidence of what GiveWell actually have given most grants to in the past I would have gone with this as what I think GiveWell meant and what I would personally like the most.
“only make decisions with a decent standard of evidence or to gather more evidence”
I think it makes sense to have separation, and have Openphil in doing higher risk bets undet your heuristic of “make the best decision we can under uncertainty”. Why have 2 different bodies doing the same thing with largely the same pool of money?
But yes you might be right that at least now maybe both GiveWell and Open Phil are meaning and doing that.
Fair enough, I guess my take from all this is that you mainly just want the all grants fund to have a different philosophy than the one GiveWell is following in practice? Or do you also think they’re making a mistake by their own lights?
I just originally thought that the All Grants fund has stuff with a decent evidence base, but less certainty then the top charities. So still more certainty than most other funders in the world.
Nearly all of the charities there would fit that description so I think they were following that practice. So yes I thought they were making a mistake somewhat by their own lights, or maybe taking the fund in a bit of a different direction.
Or Maybe I was just wrong about what they were trying to do.
It doesn’t apply to the TSU grant, but note that a high percentage of GiveWell-directed donations don’t come from OpenPhilanthropy:
And I expect this to increasingly be the case in the future, as GiveWell finds new donors and OpenPhil finds other things to donate to. So I wouldn’t say it’s “largely the same pool of money”
Agreed. GiveWell also takes outside donors and OpenPhil doesn’t. I’ve donated to the all grants fund because I wanted to help with risk tolerant and fast giving after the aid cuts, and am glad the opportunity exists
I don’t think that’s true anymore: https://www.openphilanthropy.org/partner-with-us/ but I imagine OpenPhil only takes donors above a certain size (here they say >$1M/year) while GiveWell takes donations of all sizes