We should probably reserve judgement until the final board members are announced.
That being said, I agree: this is one of the top AI organisations in the world. How much the new board reflects the values of humanity in general, rather than a tiny slice of tech guys, might have serious consequences on the future.
Thank you for clarifying the voting system for me. So my comment most likely irritated some folks with lots of karma.
I certainly don’t want to say things that irritate folks in the EA community . I was giving voice to what I might hear from some of my women friends, something like: “Yes Helen Toner was an EA, but she was a woman who was questioning what Altman was doing too.” According to this article, Altman tried to push out Helen Toner “because he thought a research paper she had co-written was critical of the company.” But she was on a board whose responsibility to make sure that AI serves humanity. So here job was in some sense to be critical of the company when it might be diverging from the mission of serving humanity. So when she tries to do her job, some founder-guy tries to her because the public discussion about the issue might be critical of something he implemented?
I think this information indicates that there is not only an EA/non-EA dimension to that precursor event, but I think most women would recognize that there is also a gender/power/authority dimension to that precursor event.
In spite of such considerations, I also agree with the idea that we should not focus on differences, conflict and divisions. And now I will more fully understand the karma cost of irritating someone who has much more karma than me on the forum.
Thank you for the feedback on my comment. It has been informative.
So my comment most likely irritated some folks with lots of karma.
I don’t know if this is true. Fwiw, I upvoted your comment pretty early on when it was double-digits negative, but I didn’t strong-upvote because I almost never strong-upvote (low-effort) comments.
I think this information indicates that there is not only an EA/non-EA dimension to that precursor event, but I think most women would recognize that there is also a gender/power/authority dimension to that precursor event.
Yeah I think that’s element is definitely there. It might not be big however. My own guess is that both EA/non-EA and gender dynamics are relatively small for the precursor event, compared to just “Yes-man to Sam” vs “doesn’t buy his aura and is sometimes willing to disagree with Sam.” Maybe gender dynamics or EA dynamics exacerbated it; eg, Sam would be more willing to respect billionaire male tech CEOs on the board than uppity women or weird social-movement people. But this is just speculation.
We should probably reserve judgement until the final board members are announced.
That being said, I agree: this is one of the top AI organisations in the world. How much the new board reflects the values of humanity in general, rather than a tiny slice of tech guys, might have serious consequences on the future.
Thank you for clarifying the voting system for me. So my comment most likely irritated some folks with lots of karma.
I certainly don’t want to say things that irritate folks in the EA community . I was giving voice to what I might hear from some of my women friends, something like: “Yes Helen Toner was an EA, but she was a woman who was questioning what Altman was doing too.” According to this article, Altman tried to push out Helen Toner “because he thought a research paper she had co-written was critical of the company.” But she was on a board whose responsibility to make sure that AI serves humanity. So here job was in some sense to be critical of the company when it might be diverging from the mission of serving humanity. So when she tries to do her job, some founder-guy tries to her because the public discussion about the issue might be critical of something he implemented?
I think this information indicates that there is not only an EA/non-EA dimension to that precursor event, but I think most women would recognize that there is also a gender/power/authority dimension to that precursor event.
In spite of such considerations, I also agree with the idea that we should not focus on differences, conflict and divisions. And now I will more fully understand the karma cost of irritating someone who has much more karma than me on the forum.
Thank you for the feedback on my comment. It has been informative.
It’s common enough that the initial net karma doesn’t resemble the long term net karma, I wouldn’t read too much into it :)
I don’t know if this is true. Fwiw, I upvoted your comment pretty early on when it was double-digits negative, but I didn’t strong-upvote because I almost never strong-upvote (low-effort) comments.
Yeah I think that’s element is definitely there. It might not be big however. My own guess is that both EA/non-EA and gender dynamics are relatively small for the precursor event, compared to just “Yes-man to Sam” vs “doesn’t buy his aura and is sometimes willing to disagree with Sam.” Maybe gender dynamics or EA dynamics exacerbated it; eg, Sam would be more willing to respect billionaire male tech CEOs on the board than uppity women or weird social-movement people. But this is just speculation.