cryptopsyfan69420

• cryptopsyfan69420 6 Oct 2024 20:51 UTC

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  in reply to: Larks’s comment on: (Cross­post) Is Effec­tive Altru­ism just a gi­ant meme?

  He requested I copy and paste his reponse here to make sure you and others see it.

  Larks wrote:I don’t understand what the title has to do with the body of the text. ‘Meme’ either means a unit of cultural information or a funny picture with text; EA is definitely not ‘just’ the latter, and it is the former to the same extent that environmentalism or any other movement is.

  I can say these sentences certainly are memes.
  

  Larks wrote:This is probably the single most ignorant paragraph I have ever read about the financial industry. The sort of finance job EAs do for EtG are not easy, they are some of the most competitive and challenging jobs in the world.

  OK
  

  Larks wrote:Nor is it the case that scamming, fossil fuel investment and investing in terrorist organizations (how would that even work? Does Al-Qaeda pay dividends?) is all they do.

  I mean that’s kinda what the biggest banks in the world do. Every major multinational bank on the planet is riddled with scandals and controversies.
  
  Also regarding terrorist organizations:
  https://​​www.nbcnews.com/​​businessmain/​​re … ugs-889170
  https://​​www.marketwatch.com/​​story/​​stand … s-4339bfd0
  

  Larks wrote:This guy is apparently aware that financial companies invest in fossil fuel companies—does he think there is some other industry that handles investment in all other types of firms, including green infrastructure?

  I’m sure they do, but where’s the money in that right now? Very little compared to the fossil fuel industries. This will likely change in the future, but that will be the result of legislation and general systemic change, not likely to be from working at such companies.
  

  Larks wrote:Finance plays a number of important roles in society, from facilitating transactions to matching savers and borrowers to allowing people to adjust their risk to vetting and due diligence to forecasting the future.

  Of course banks are important, I was more referring to working a job that deals mostly with the scumbags. But while they are important, even putting aside the shady stuff, working in one mostly just makes you a middle-man; Hard to say if someone of fair intelligence and ability is necessarily reaching their potential working such a job.
  

  Larks wrote:These are valuable services and people voluntarily pay to use them.

  I’m not sure if you read my whole post because I mentioned encouraging people to use local banks, which will likely act more ethically. Might not be possible for everyone, but it is for a lot of people who do use these banks. The less power they have, the better.
  
  And really it’s probably beneficial to the customers too since from what I can tell these big banks give their customers little interest, charge them a fee for using the bank, then invest in other evil industries.
  

  Larks wrote:There are some valid criticisms of the industry but this guy is just so ill-informed I seriously think your “”friend”″ should start by reading a basic wikipedia article on the subject.

  I think you’re just mad
  

  Larks wrote:… and medicine and STEM are only comparable in income to the extent that you can compare them and observe them to be lower.

  Still both in the six figures range, and plenty of room for increasing income. I am wondering, do you support more STEM and Medicine people? I would argue that any extra money made by someone in finance is far offset by a STEM/​Medicine person since their careers contribute very positively in the world and working at a big bank is not so good.
  
  Frankly the fact that the people working in finance make so much money is a cause for concern and shouldn’t be a reality at all, at least with how they’re currently getting their money.

• cryptopsyfan69420 6 Oct 2024 13:32 UTC

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  in reply to: Mo Putera’s comment on: (Cross­post) Is Effec­tive Altru­ism just a gi­ant meme?

  His response is so uncharitable and demeaning I’m not sure it’s worth Larks’ time and effort to respond.

  That’s just Red’s mannerisms, he’s just saying it because he likes being humorous. He’s a pretty nice guy, though if he were writing this response right now it’d be a lot more smartassy.

  That’s the entirety of his response to what Larks pointed out, a confusion I share.

  Well he did address (most) of his arguments, despite his memey attitude. I don’t think being a bit of a dick negates any arguments he made.

  What do you think of his original post?

• cryptopsyfan69420 6 Oct 2024 2:11 UTC

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  in reply to: Larks’s comment on: (Cross­post) Is Effec­tive Altru­ism just a gi­ant meme?

  He wrote a response on his forum:

  https://​​philosophicalvegan.com/​​viewtopic.php?p=52461#p52461

  Do you agree with the rest of his post?

(Cross­post) Is Effec­tive Altru­ism just a gi­ant meme?

Mosquito Erad­i­ca­tion as op­posed to net­ting and treat­ments, and why cur­rent pre­ven­tion meth­ods may be counterproductive

• cryptopsyfan69420 24 Jul 2022 1:37 UTC

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  in reply to: Jared_Riggs’s comment on: Why are peo­ple so hos­tile to the idea that sweat­shops are a net pos­i­tive?

  I think I understand what you’re saying, so I think the best response to that deontological thinking is to explain how use does not equate to abuse. Similar to how many animal rights advocates make the mistake of thinking that using animals for something is inherently bad, that way of thinking completely ignores the consequences of the actions. The workers are benefitting as well.

  This article snippet explains it well:

  https://​​philosophicalvegan.com/​​wiki/​​index.php/​​Sweatshop_Products#Distinction_with_Animal_Agriculture

  Those papers do seem interesting to look into, I’ll read ’em when I get the chance.

• cryptopsyfan69420 23 Jul 2022 17:37 UTC

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  in reply to: Yellow (Daryl)’s comment on: Why are peo­ple so hos­tile to the idea that sweat­shops are a net pos­i­tive?

  What Daryl said.

  As far as the issue of alleviating poverty in these countries, it’s one of the best ways.

[Question] Why are peo­ple so hos­tile to the idea that sweat­shops are a net pos­i­tive?

(Video) Why Ve­gans Are So Annoying

• cryptopsyfan69420 24 Aug 2021 14:36 UTC

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  in reply to: nathan98000’s comment on: (Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

  I encourage you to concede that going to college is actually a benefit for most people.

  But you literally provided no evidence of such a claim.

• cryptopsyfan69420 19 Aug 2021 0:51 UTC

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  in reply to: nathan98000’s comment on: (Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

  Your argument is that you don’t have to go to college to be a successful. Therefore, you probably shouldn’t go to college.
  

  Actually, my argument was that people in general shouldn’t go to college because they’ll major in useless crap. I don’t really think anyone should major in art stuff frankly (and other things).

  You COULD be successful, but in this day and age college is a waste of time for arts (as I said, you do better by doing things you like and going at your own pace rather than doing something some pretentious jackoff assigned to you. Also should mention you learn more by DOING rather than just “practicing”).

  Not using your right hand is a hindrance. Going to art school is a hindrance.

  A better argument would be: The benefit gained from getting an art degree is not worth the cost of college.

  That was my point though. You may have just misinterpreted.

  the numbers would probably suggest that college is a good investment (even for art majors).

  How?

  Nathan I tire of this little debacle, either concede that 99% of art degrees are a waste of time and money, or just gunnae drap it.

• cryptopsyfan69420 18 Aug 2021 0:55 UTC

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  in reply to: nathan98000’s comment on: (Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

  You explicitly say at the start of your video that you recommend people go into psychology...

  Right but I also said in my response to you:

  “Social sciences” and a lot of psychology

  You also use images of art supplies in your video whenever you say the word “art”.

  It was a type of shorthand. I actually wanted to use other pictures for “studies” degrees but Pixabay is fairly limited.

  It seems goal-post shifting to now claim you were actually referring to liberal arts in general.

  I thought it was implied when I said art degree and when I didn’t mention things like “studies” degrees in majors I recommend .

  It also doesn’t at all address the fact that most college students don’t go to private universities.

  Of course, but most major in (not very useful) art degrees and many have crushing debt, unable to pay back loans.

  I don’t have to use my right hand to be successful. But it would be silly to make a video called “You (Probably) Shouldn’t Use Your Right Hand”.

  Sure you could learn how to use your left hand, but it’s an impedes progress and doesn’t really help you much in achieving your goals. Like art school.

• cryptopsyfan69420 17 Aug 2021 13:17 UTC

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  in reply to: nathan98000’s comment on: (Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

  It is misleading. The title is “You (Probably) Shouldn’t Go To College.” But you complain specifically about arts, language, and literature majors at private universities. This is not most people who go to college.

  It’s actually for most art degrees in general, which includes nonsense degrees like “Gender Studies” and most sociology. Since these things are soft sciences they’re counted as art degrees instead of proper STEM.

  https://​​nces.ed.gov/​​fastfacts/​​display.asp?id=37

  Most of these are not STEM or Med-School.

  “Social sciences” and a lot of psychology are soft sciences, and possibly even pseudosciences.

  Asserting that humanities professors are pretentious jackoffs with dumbass interpretations is more easily interpreted as angry venting than as reasonable argument.

  I’m not sure how else to explain it then. It’s self-evident.

  Think of it like this: People care if you graduated top of your class with a music degree from Julliard. Is it stupid? Maybe, but that’s how it is. I didn’t make the rules.

  Did you have to in order to become a successful musician?

• cryptopsyfan69420 16 Aug 2021 3:27 UTC

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  in reply to: nathan98000’s comment on: (Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

  First, the video seems contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. For example, the title of the video is “You (Probably) Shouldn’t Go To College” even though you seem to limit your criticisms to art, language, and literature majors at private universities. In other words, you clickbaited the title so people would go in looking for an angry disagreement.

  Of course it’s clickbait, and I don’t see anything wrong with using clickbait titles as long as they aren’t misleading. I didn’t intend for people to go in angry just looking at the title, and I don’t think people would go in negatively.

  If I titled it “You Definitely Shouldn’t Go to College” or just “You Shouldn’t Go To College” that certainly would be considered misleading. The title more expresses my view that college is not a good idea for most people (and I believe Trade School is a much better and more useful option).

  This is even more obvious towards the end of your video where you say that in your experience people who teach humanities subjects are “pretentious jackoffs” who have “dumbass” interpretations. It’s hard to interpret this as a good-faith argument about why people in general shouldn’t go to college.

  ...Are you disagreeing with that analysis?

  Second, you present zero evidence for any claims you make. Your video is a list of assertions. You talk about doing a cost-benefit analysis, but then you handwave numbers out of nowhere. Your video doesn’t leave me feeling confident that you’ve looked at the data on the job prospects of those with vs without college degrees.

  Well I’m actually not confident that you’ve watched the video in its entirety (or you misunderstood me to an extent).

  Do you NEED an art degree to become a successful artist? Especially nowadays considering how accessible all these resources are? Maybe a few decades ago, but nowadays it’s much easier (and cheaper) to learn the arts.

  Now ask, do you NEED a STEM degree to go into science/​engineering? Well you’ll probably remember nothing of what you learned after five years, but a job in that field actually requires the piece of paper. Is it stupid? Probably, but that’s how it is. I didn’t make the rules.

  Think of it like this: Let’s say I’m making a video game and you need someone to compose music for it. I don’t care if you graduated top of your class with a music degree from Julliard, since it tells me nothing about what type of music you’re capable of composing. I’d much rather see previous music you’ve composed, since that’d actually give me information about your musical talents.

  When we compare Art vs STEM, there are some key reasons as to why it’s better to major in the latter. Art as I implied can be made at home; Not everyone has the budget and resources to build science labs.

  I understand that the style of your video isn’t a lecture that’s comprehensively reviewing the research. But I think that’s exactly the problem. Not that every video has to be a lecture. But I would like to see fewer uncharitable, uninformed Angry Rant videos on the EA Forum.

  Not to disrespect anyone here but I think too many members in the movement are too passive and unwilling to cross the line deliberately. Sometimes you need a good asshole to get some things done.

(Video) You (Prob­a­bly) Shouldn’t Go To College

• cryptopsyfan69420 6 Aug 2021 1:41 UTC

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  in reply to: Aaron Gertler 🔸’s comment on: (Video) How to be a less crappy person

  My best attempt to interpret your view was something like “non-controversial content can work, but controversial content is almost always better”.

  Right, that’s what I was saying.

  My response was to point out that the most successful communicators of EA have typically been “non-controversial” in their delivery, even if some of EA’s core ideas are inherently radical.

  EA as a movement isn’t a particularly mainstream thing (unlike Veganism, which is moreso). I think it’d be interesting to see how a less diplomatic figure in the community spreads the message.

  If the goal is to eventually have almost everyone go meatless, there’s some value in pushing a message that more people respond to in the long term. Having 10% of the population go meatless for 20 years < having 50% go meatless for 5 years.

  • This model is clearly oversimplified, as a set of initial supporters might help to convert others — but on the other hand, if you can get a lot of people to spread a message in their “local” setting, shouldn’t that message be the one that works on the highest percentage of people, because total reach isn’t as much of a concern?

  I’m arguing that total reach is a primary concern. I must be missing your point here.

  • If your brand is controversy, drama, and snark, you get a lot of people who enjoy controversy, drama, and snark.

  Is that a bad thing? The snarky in your face people tend to be the types who post and share snarky memes that, once again, will reach many people (much like Vegan Sidekick, although he’s unfortunately drank the antinatalist Kool-Aid, which hurts his activism).

  Isn’t this the opposite of the point you were making? If people tend to reject a message after hearing it, that’s an argument against using the message.

  My point was no matter how nice you are, some messages are just out of the envelope that your approach to it isn’t as relevant. I don’t think the same standard applies to veganism or effective altruism as a whole however.

  • If your brand is positive, welcoming, and low-key, you get some smaller number of people who will tend to be more positive, welcoming, and low-key.

  Of course, and that’s why we need the diplomatic types.

  EA, in particular, has a fairly deliberate strategy of trying to recruit people who have a natural tendency toward compassion + “taking numbers seriously”, and being wary of the kinds of audiences we can bring in through overconfidence or an appeal to negative emotions. This may have reduced the movement’s numerical growth rate, but at the same time, I’m extremely happy with the people who have been drawn to it so far, many of whom came in explicitly because EA stood out from the crowded field of “social movements using controversy to persuade”.

  Sure, and I dig that, but I don’t want EA to be restricted to just the super-compassionate types. I want more people to partake in it, even if they aren’t donating 90% of their income. Which is better, one hundred thousand giving 20 bucks a month or one thousand people giving 2000 bucks a month? It’s the same amount, but I think it’s a lot more difficult to find those 2000 dollar people than getting one hundred thousand people who aren’t at charitable. Maybe I’m wrong though.

  RE: Yourofsky, I was highlighting how his controversial strategy helped start the wave of veg over there (even he claims he can’t take all the credit, but it served as a starter for the activists). Still difficult to argue with those results.

  Also, I should emphasize that none of this has anything to do with my opinions about your content — I’m more focused on the general argument at hand, which comes up a lot. I think you should make whatever videos you feel like making (while trying to figure out whether people are responding in the way you’d hope).

  Nae bother, I actually these discussions are important to have. I also have a few non-Youtube related endeavors I hope to be materialized, but YouTube I find is important too.

• cryptopsyfan69420 5 Aug 2021 4:03 UTC

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  in reply to: Aaron Gertler 🔸’s comment on: (Video) How to be a less crappy person

  My experience talking to people within animal advocacy is that PETA tends to be seen as more embarrassing than effective — a mishmash of campaigns that end up making the animal movement seem gimmicky, without much in the way of clear impact.

  But how many people see the articles? Say about a million people saw their silly article, and only 1% of people actually stuck around their website and learn more about veganism with the rest brushing it off as ridiculous. That’s ten thousand people who just might reduce their consumption of animal products and will consider buying vegan alternatives, which will influence their friends, families, and market forces alike. I’d say that’s a win for the animal rights movement. Would they have gotten that same level of effect if they did something that wasn’t silly?

  As someone who is very concerned with animal wellbeing, every person reducing meat consumption is a massive positive.

  Make no mistake, I don’t agree with some of what PETA does (they’ve done some things I find to be counterproductive; As I’ve said, you shouldn’t overstep the line) but from what I know they have a pretty small marketing budget, and they’re making the most of it.

  Yes, easily!

  There are lots of human feelings you can successfully reach aside from “anger” or “(eats popcorn)”. Controversial content sometimes sells, but so does other content!

  I did say that it is possible to be non-controversial and reach a large audience (I’m sure it wasn’t your intention, but you sort of made it look like I didn’t say that).

  My point was controversy usually gives people a bigger chance of being recognized. Internet algorithms favor what people find interesting, and most people find controversial interesting (even if they don’t agree with it). If you’re already recognized it’s not really necessary to be uncontroversial if you don’t want to, but if you’re really striving for that media attention (and thus reaching millions of people), people want something that’ll really strike emotions. Either that, or be amusing in some way (Tim Urban’s blog is a good example, of a fun to read format).

  I should also add that sometimes just saying controversial things is useful (such as EA’s defending of Sweatshops; I’ve seen so many people, who, even after being explained to why Sweatshops are beneficial to people in developing countries, just reject the message).

  I think the problem with the Effective Altruism and Animal Rights movements is, a lot of people don’t think of those things as “cool” necessarily. I think the informal, in-your-face approach is very useful for dispelling that idea, while I find the continued diplomatic and compromising might not reach that 10% of people that being controversial would..

  I think probably the best example of a controversial activist (and, I would argue, the most effective of our time in terms of good done) is Gary Yourofsky. I have so many criticisms of that guy, but you can’t deny that the man got results. After one of his speeches went viral, not only did it spread all over the internet amassing tens of millions of views, but it went viral in Israel, and it’s credited with converting roughly 10% of their population to veganism/​vegetarianism. This is thought to be because he compared factory harms to the Holocaust (which is extremely controversial) which resonated with the Jewish population there and made them reconsider their lifestyles.

  It’s all something to consider, anyway. One thing I’m certain of in activism is avoiding pseudoscience (doesn’t look like that’s really a problem in EA but in veganism it’s just about everywhere), but as far as methods go, I’ll go with anything that works. I don’t see any good reason to believe being an asshole would be guaranteed harm for these movements.

  There was a great article I read a few years back about the usefulness of being an asshole, but I can’t find it now, unfortunately.

• cryptopsyfan69420 3 Aug 2021 14:12 UTC

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  in reply to: Kirsten’s comment on: (Video) How to be a less crappy person

  (I’m not sure if you’d get a notification for my reply to Koen so I’ll send a direct reply just in case)

  Thanks for the compliment, though I think the editing style is a bit simplistic right now, mainly because I’m focusing on getting videos out as quickly as possible at the moment. Later down the line I’m hoping to have the budget for more produced videos.

• cryptopsyfan69420 3 Aug 2021 14:12 UTC

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  in reply to: KoenSchoen’s comment on: (Video) How to be a less crappy person

  Hey thanks for the comment. I explained to @Harrison D my mindset behind why I was being less than polite in my video if you’re curious to it.

  I actually think the video is missing a few things, but thanks for the encouragement, I don’t have that many resources available to me right now so this is basically the best I can do! :P

• cryptopsyfan69420 3 Aug 2021 13:51 UTC

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  in reply to: Marcel D’s comment on: (Video) How to be a less crappy person

  Hey, thanks for the comment, I was starting to think no one was going to respond.

  I totally understand your concerns, and if this were a few years ago I’d probably completely agree with you, but I think there’s something to be said about the effectiveness of being controversial and not very politically correct. Lemme explain my mindset behind my behavior if you will.

  Think about it this way: The problem with altruism (and I would add veganism to that) in general is that so many people are uninformed/​misinformed about it, that reaching them at all is hard enough. If you take a non-controversial message with a much more agreeable tone, that’d probably yield like a 95% success rate, but you’d almost definitely not have that big of an audience (maybe about 10,000). With a more controversial tone, you’d probably have about a 5%, but you’d read a MUCH larger audience of say a million. That isn’t to say that the former isn’t doing great work, but can a person going with a nice-guy approach really have the same impact as someone being controversial?

  Of course there are people that are well known without being controversial, but being controversial gives people a bigger chance of finding that person and potentially sharing it with others, and it’s important to not be too over-the-top with your behavior (I think I kept it under control for the most part).

  You know how PETA does all those stupid articles like the ones about the Mario Bros. wearing Tanooki/​Frog suits, or how they tell people it’s speciesist to use the names of animals as insults, or the many flash-games they used to make? They know it’s all ridiculous, but when they do these seemingly ridiculous things, they quickly spread all around the internet, leading to millions of dollars of free media attention, for things that don’t take that long at all to make.

  That all being said though, despite my snarkiness, I think I was overall pretty civil. When it comes to lecturing/​Youtube videos I take on the snarky, profane tone, but when it comes to one on one conversations, I’d definitely go with the nice-guy approach.