I’m the Finance Director at Animal Charity Evaluators. I co-founded and co-led EA Madison (Wis.) and have been involved in effective altruism since 2013.
Gina_Stuessy
Karma: 191
I agree we should try using accessible language (when it doesn’t compromise our message). It makes our ideas more easily spread to people from various backgrounds (e.g. not just tech people), non-native English speakers, younger people, etc.
I think it’d be great if more EA orgs made this an official part of their style guides/voice guidelines/similar. Was just thinking about this again when I was reading an 80k piece (https://80000hours.org/2023/05/moderation-in-doing-good/) that used the term “sandboxes”, when “test environment” is probably clearer to a wider audience.
“Avoid “sex sells” tactics”—the link there doesn’t work.
Re: others organizing special events on the forum--
I think if CEA came up with a process for that, which included CEA promoting the event organized by a non-CEA person, that might help this happen.
There could be a “forum special event” form, where someone can suggest a theme, write up a description, and get feedback from CEA on it. Maybe the feedback would be to clarify the description, or to suggest a specific time for the event to be synchronized (or not) with related other events. E.g. if there’s an insect welfare conference happening at time X, it might work well to have an insect welfare forum fortnight soon after that.
And then the promotion could be to include the event announcement in the EA Newsletter or pin the announcement post to the home page of the forum for a bit.
Formatting thing: you may have meant to indent some bullets under “Work on any single area can gain from our working on multiple areas:”
I think this b/c it ends with a “:”
From my basic understanding of Open Phil, it does seem like Dustin & Cari have given up the reins to a large extent? Open Phil has hired lots of staff who are making the granting decisions, although maybe Dustin & Cari have a large influence over the cause areas.
Cool, thanks for doing this!
I’m curious to know the main differences in purpose between this and the Impactful Animal Advocacy newsletter. One obvious one is that the latter is monthly and via email and this is more frequent and on the forum. Other differences?
Thanks for offering these fellowships! I have a couple questions:
Are they still ongoing; is there a new form people can use to apply?
Would you be open to supporting small remote EA orgs’ ~weeklong staff retreats in the Bahamas?
I agree re: “rare” v “obscure”. “Obscure” to me means weird (in a negative way) in addition to uncommon. “Rare” just means uncommon. Diamonds (non-synthesized) are valued highly because they’re seen as rare, for example. People don’t use the word “obscure” to describe diamonds.
That said, neither word may turn out to be good to use in advertising.
There are at least ~70 EA-aligned or adjacent organisations (including national/local/university groups)
Did you mean to say not including national/local/university groups? There are about 300 national/local/university groups (according to Ben West at CEA), and I would guess ~70 is about the number of orgs which identify as EA-aligned.
Hi Elliot, I would agree that organizing a single small meetup is pretty simple, low risk like you said, but organizing an ongoing, engaged group of people who are excited to show up again and again, and encouraging them to make high-impact life changes (like changing their area of study, career, or donating significantly) is much harder. At least it was for me. It takes ongoing motivation/commitment, good organizing skills, fresh ideas for activities or discussion topics, etc. I think we did pretty well for a few years but then moved across the country. I’m appreciative of the folks who picked up coordinating the group, but do think it was challenging for them as well.
All that said, there are some great resources out there (like Catherine Low, as you mentioned), a Facebook group for group organizers, etc. So it’s definitely doable for someone who can make that ongoing commitment. I’d just be wary of pitching it as a very simple thing to do. Organizers should be aware of what they’re getting into if they want to have a long-lasting successful group :)
Animal Charity Evaluators accepts secure donations of a variety of cryptocurrencies via The Giving Block from anonymous donors or smart contracts: https://thegivingblock.com/donate/animal-charity-evaluators/
Agree on all points :)
And thank you, again, for bringing up this issue of acceptance.
Thank you for posting. I’m sorry to hear that some people in the community have been made to feel excluded or “not EA enough”, and agree with ideas already shared above about how the community can behave better.
I generally agree with Aaron’s comments above, and just had a few points that I don’t think people have already made:
--
our general countermeasure is to think long and hard about potential missed opportunities and candidates for cause-X, trying to study and map ever greater territories… But is it the most efficient strategy to explore the space of opportunities? I suspect that in many cases you can’t really see very clearly the full utility of acting in some space until you actually try to do it.
I agree that we shouldn’t just think about other cause areas, but jumping into working on them directly is sort of on the other extreme, pretty costly. I think people wanting to assess other cause areas that seem promising should research their history, accomplishments, failures, etc. and talk to some of the key people working in those areas. I hope and expect that people working on cause prioritization are in fact doing something like this.
--
From the perspective of the entire EA movement, it might be a better strategy to allocate the few individuals who possess the rare “EA mindset” across a diverse set of causes
As new potentially high-impact causes are identified, I agree, and think that this is happening. For causes which we’re pretty sure are generally not as high impact, I think that EAs will most likely do more good by working within priority causes rather than working to “lift up” lower priority causes. This is based on my understanding that causes can vary in effectiveness by ~100x or more. There are surely exceptions though, where a certain intervention change in a “low priority” cause area could have a huge impact, and it’d be exciting if we found more of those opportunities.
--
Minor point here, but:
If we are in the business of giving career advice to wider publics
FWIW, 80k is not in that business. They say, “Our advice is focused on people who have the good fortune to have options for how to spend their career, and who want to make helping the world one of their main goals. We especially focus on college students and graduates living in rich countries like the U.S. or U.K. who want to take an analytical approach to doing good.”
I’m part-time/hourly, so have been tracking my time for years, “clocking out” for short and long breaks. I’ve averaged about 6.2 hours/day since the beginning of 2020 (to pick a random period of time). That excludes paid leave (holidays, PTO, sick).
I recall hearing from Alex Barry at the EA Summit a couple years ago who, at the time, was leading Cambridge EA (iirc) and they had an absolutely incredible rate of engagement from volunteer organizers/members contributing time to the EA group’s events and activities. And huge numbers of them. IIRC, he said the key for them was to have one basic requirement: the organizers had to commit to checking and responding to Slack daily. That way, they’d know write away if someone didn’t have time to keep working on something, and they’d quickly find someone else to do it.
There are a few ways which allow me to get involved in other areas of our organization:
All of our Lead staff have weekly meetings, so in those meetings I can reflect on questions other Leads bring to the group, contribute ideas, etc.
Our whole team tries to allow pretty good visibility of what we’re working on by keeping project- or task-related information in the appropriate place in Asana and by posting brief weekly project updates in Slack.
We have a “reciprocity” Slack channel where we can post if we’d like someone’s help on something, and that can often be someone from a different competency area than the poster’s.
We encourage staff to join projects as Scrum Master, even if the project is outside their competency area
Several months ago, our team all switched over to using Asana. Before that, some were using Asana, some Trello, and maybe some neither. I believe the switch-over went pretty smoothly and there wasn’t much resistance to using the new software. A few things that we did which may have contributed to the good adoption were:
Before selecting Asana, we asked staff to list all the features they’d like in a task management software, did research to compare a few options, and chose the one that met most (or maybe all) of staff’s requested features
We acknowledged that this is a big shift, it’ll take a few months for everyone to get comfortable with it, but that we expect greater efficiency in the long-run; expressed appreciation for staff doing the work necessary to figure out this new tool; reminded staff that this is the tool which meets most/all of their requested features
Wrote a guide about how to use it (I thought this didn’t seem very necessary, since Asana has lots of their own tutorials and instructions, but given Sawyer’s comment, maybe that helped!)
Together as a team over the first few months, we established conventions about how we use Asana, and documented those as a separate section in the guide (new staff read this guide as part of onboarding)
We held frequent (weekly?) coworking sessions for a little while, where we could ask each other questions about Asana and/or share tips
This is really neat, thank you for making it!
Question: Did you take into account the following?:
Culling of male chicks in the egg industry
The lives of dairy cows’ offspring (whether they’re kept for veal or slaughtered right away)
Bycatch and/or the lives of the fishes that are fed to farmed salmon?
And a couple requests:
If you do make some updates, could you consider adding eggs from pasture-raised hens for comparison, too?
And add wild salmon?
I was surprised with how much the brain function choice affects the results, but don’t have a good sense of which function is the best estimate. I wonder if there’s enough of a consensus on that among animal sentience researchers for it to be appropriate to designate one of those options as “experts’ choice” or “most likely” or something?
I am not good at coming up with names for things, but do agree a specific URL would be nice. Maybe “meat impacts estimator” (although it’s not just about meat, but “animal products impacts estimator” or “farmed animals impacts estimator” are pretty long), or some other combination of words like:
animal agriculture, animal products
impact, harms (or specifically “suffering” or “welfare” and climate”)
calculator, estimator, estimate
Thanks for writing this up!
I asked Chase (our org’s bank) about the money market sweep option, and they said theirs is not a money market sweep, but an investment sweep, going through funds with JP Morgan, and it’s NOT FDIC-insured. The funds could increase or decrease in value; it’s a risk just like investing is. Other than those differences, it sounded similar to what you were writing about.
Were you actually writing about a couple different things, or is there a way to find an FDIC-insured option like this?