I follow Crocker’s rules.
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The backlink-checker doesn’t show anything of the sorts; but I think it doesn’t work for discord or big social media websites like 𝕏.
An AI Race With China Can Be Better Than Not Racing
Thanks for the comment! The reasoning looks good, and was thought-provoking.
If I instead go for the best of both worlds, it seems intuitively more likely that I end up with something which is mediocre on both axes—which is a bit better than mediocre on one and irrelevant on the other
I think I disagree with you here. I model being bad at choosing good interventions as randomly sampling from the top n% (e.g. 30%) from the distribution when I’m trying to choose the best thing along the axis of e.g. non-x-risk impact. If this is a good way of thinking about it, then I don’t think that things change a lot—because of the concavity of the frontier, things I choose from that set are still going to be quite good from a non-x-risk perspective, and pretty middling from the x-risk perspective.
I am very unsure about this, but I think it might look like in this image:
When you choose from the top 30% on popularity, you get options from the purple box at random, and same for options in the green box for effectiveness.
If you want to push axes, I guess you’re going to aim for selecting from the intersection of both boxes, but I’m suspicious you actually can do that, or whether you end up selecting from the union of the boxes instead. Because if you can select from the intersection, you get options that are pretty good along both axes, pretty much by definition.
I could use my code to quantify how good this would be, though a concrete use case might be more illuminating.
Huh, the convergent lines of thought are pretty cool!
Your suggested solution is indeed what I’m also gesturing towards. A “barbell strategy” works best if we only have few dimensions we don’t want to make comparable, I think.
(AFAIU It grows only linearly, but we still want to perform some sampling of the top options to avoid the winners curse?)
I think this link is informative: Charitable interventions appear to be (weakly) lognormally distributed in cost-effectiveness. In general, my intuition is that “charities are lognormal, markets are normal”, but I don’t have a lot of evidence for the second part of the sentence.
Fat Tails Discourage Compromise
My current understanding is that he believes extinction or similar from AI is possible, at 5% probability, but that this is low enough that concerns about stable totalitarianism are slightly more important. Furthermore, he believes that AI alignment is a technical but solvable problem. More here.
I am far more pessimistic than him about extinction from misaligned AI systems, but I think it’s quite sensible to try to make money from AI even in worlds from high probability of extinction, since the market signal provided counterfactually moves the market far less than the realizable benefit from being richer in such a crucial time.
Thanks for tagging me! I’ll read the post and your comment with care.
Progress in Qualia
Not central to EA, but there’s Gwerns open questions.
I’d be curious about a list of topics they would like others to investigate/continue investigating, or a list of the most important open questions.
Due to the sudden work of unsung heroes, he was cryopreserved despite not having been signed up at the time of his deänimation.
I wonder whether the lives of those moths were net negative. If the population was rising, then the number of moths dying as larvae might’ve been fairly small. I assume that OPs apartment doesn’t have many predatory insects or animals that eat insects, so the risk of predation was fairly small. That leaves five causes of death: old age, hunger, thirst, disease and crushing.
Death by old age for moths is probably not that bad? They don’t have a very long life, so their duration of death also doesn’t seem very long to me, and couldn’t offset the quality of their life.
Hunger and thirst are likely worse, but I don’t know by how much, do starved moths die from heart problems? (Do moths have hearts?)
Disease in house moth colonies is probably fairly rare.
Crushing can be very fast or lead to long painful death. Seems the worst of those options.
I think those moths probably had a better life than outside, just given the number of predatory insects; but I don’t think that this was enough to make their lives net-positive. But it’s been a while since I’ve read into insect welfare, so if most young insects die by predation, I’d increase my credence in those moths having had net-positive lives.
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Encountered while logged in. Now it doesn’t happen anymore. Maybe it was because I’d opened a bunch of tabs before dismissing the notification, which had still pre-loaded on other pages? Anyway, now it’s fixed, at least for me.
Basically a bug report: The popup “Sign up for the weekly EA Forum Digest” appears on every new page, even when I’ve already clicked “No thanks” on other pages. I highly dislike this.
Yep, seems true that useful advice comes from people who were in a similar situation and then solved the problem.
Does it happen often in EA that unqualified people give a lot of advice? 80,000 hours comes to mind, but you would hope they’re professional enough to having thought of this failure mode.
Argument in favor of giving to humans:
Factory farming will stop at some point in this century80%, while human civilization could stay for a much longer time. So you can push humanity in a slightly better long-term direction by improving the circumstances in the third world, e.g. reducing the chance that some countries will want to acquire nuclear weapons for conflict because of wars because of famines.
So there’s an option to affect trajectory change by giving to global health, but not really for animal welfare.