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Agrees generally with some specific points but would not think they correlates with anti-fragile culture (unless it deviates from regular definition which in that case would recommend a different erm); and disagree with Fire Fast
Anti-fragile because it enables fixing problems
On Mission First: I agree, but usually in practice, an anti-fragile environment is not mission first, but it enables blames more easily and this distracts people from focusing on mission.
Anti-fragile because your team will certainly make hiring mistakes, and when you do, you need to be able to fix them
On Fire Fast: I disagree with fire fast, since this only creates uncertainty and bad environment where people are again distracted on their own performance rather than putting mission first. It is very easy for managers to judge performance on one single instance, even though that might be noise not true signal. The real solution is to make sure not to hire too fast and recklessly.
Anti-fragile because it reduces the impact of status races and the risk of burnout
On Work sustainably and avoid burnout: I agree, but usually in practice, anti-fragile culture fosters status races, and increase the risk of burnout. Anti-fragile seems to convey the idea that when facing stress, endure it, as opposed to reduce stress factors in the first place in the organization. This does not usually work in the long term.
Usually to achieve the specific points you mentioned, I see organizations hire based on a common goal/intrinsic motivation, embrace collaboration, allow mistakes, foster honesty with non-violent communication, and encourage growth mindset. These are usually values that can promote peace and retain talent. It is really about the balance of multiple values, where a single value may be limited. We cannot go extreme/one sided on either side of “anti-fragile”.
Agreed a lot on many points, also generally agreed on 1:1 talks. I think one of the biggest issues of brainstorming is some of these group discussions do not really allow time to do more in-depth independent thinking first and is thus counter-productive. I once attended a business school class, and our professor (I think for information systems and operations management) insightfully mentioned something for our group project—there were research (I don’t have that research yet but I should later) showing that: best ideas comes from individuals trying to think 1-2 ideas independently themselves first (allowing for time for research and coming up with concrete ideas), and then maybe have group discussions going through each of these next. This learning still echos with me a lot.
I have an observation but may be noise; it is something like “you have to be known to the community somehow, to get more interactions from the community, unless it is negative interactions (debates of some sort)”. I am slightly critical but not very critical about this.
Thanks for the piece! Was thinking about this potential effect the other day as well, also for literature. Would think repetition could matter as well—one single exposure to one documentary may not be helpful, but multiple different ones may. Additionally, it would probably be more effective if some part of the documentary make the viewer feel connected personally. But these are conjectures and I am not sure.
This seems to be linked to a classic problem in social science research of finding causal factors. For the most effective strategies, one key is to focus on individual cases—in other words, key strategies are different for each different case, even if it is the same cause area (but for example in different regions.) This do require lots of manual/field research to find nuances, in my own opinion.
Could you say a bit more about what you want to do about the draft? I assume you would want to criticize/comment on “privileging the fortunate”? And what goals you want to achieve the draft? Thanks!
Appreciate the post. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/ This in-depth research article suggest the rich are getting richer faster, and suggest “Economic inequality, whether measured through the gaps in income or wealth between richer and poorer households, continues to widen.” It matches with your intuition.
I wonder what could be done to really incentive the powerful/high income people to care about contributing more.
Thanks for the thoughtful and organized feedbacks; I have to say I share very similar views after the intro to EA course—it seems to me back then that EA has a lot of subgroups/views. Appreciate the write up which probably spoke up for many more people!
With long timeline and less than 10% probability: Hot take is these are co-dependent—prioritizing only extinction is not feasible. Additionally, does only one human exist while all others die count as non-extinction? What about only a group of humans survive? How should this be selected? It could dangerously/quickly fall back to Fascism. It would only likely benefit the group of people with current low to no suffering risks, which unfortunately correlates to the most wealthy group. When we are “dimension-reducing” the human race to one single point, we ignore the individuals. This to me goes against the intuition of altruism.
I fundamentally disagree with the winner-take-all type of cause prioritization—instead, allocate resources to each area, and unfortunately there might be multiple battles to fight.
To analyze people’s responses, I can see this question being adjusted to consider prior assumptions: 1. What’s your satisfaction on how we are currently doing in the world now? What are the biggest gaps to your ideal world? 2.What’s your assessment of timeline + current % of extinction risk due to what?
Some example of large scale deepfakes that is pretty messed up: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/in-south-korea-rise-of-explicit-deepfakes-wrecks-womens-lives-and-deepens-gender-divide
Other examples on top of my head is the fake Linkedin profiles.
Not sure how to address the question otherwise; a thought is there might be deepfakes that we cannot detect/tell being deepfakes yet.
It is so sad to see the “humans are creating suffering for humans” amplified right now
It also worries me, in the context of marginal contributions, when some people (not all) start to think of “marginal” as a “sentiment” rather than actual measurements (getting to know those areas, the actual resources, and the amount of spending, and what the actual needs/problems may be) as reasoning for cause prioritization and donations. A sentiment towards a cause area, does not always mean the cause area got the actual attention/resources it was asking for.
Interested in the human welfare intervention program! Could I reach out by DM to ask for the name? Also totally understand if you are hesitant to provide name as well. Thanks!
thanks!
This is a Draft Amnesty Week draft. It may not be polished, up to my usual standards, fully thought through, or fully fact-checked. Commenting and feedback guidelines:
Keep one and delete the rest (or write your own):I’m posting this to get it out there. I’d love to see comments that take the ideas forward, but criticism of my argument won’t be as useful at this time.
This draft lacks the polish of a full post, but the content is almost there. The kind of constructive feedback you would normally put on a Forum post is very welcome.
This is a Forum post that I wouldn’t have posted without the nudge of Draft Amnesty Week. Fire away! (But be nice, as usual)
I find it surprising when people (people in general, not EA specific) do not seem to understand the moral perspective of “do no harm to other people”. This is confusing to me, and I wonder what aspects/experiences contributed to people being able to understand this vs people not being able to understand this.
Great initiative; thanks! Would”This is a Draft Amnesty Week draft.” also apply to quick notes as well?
I think that is a reasonable path; SWE/ML will give you a good foundation anyways in early career if you want to switch to AI safety later as you build experience. Additionally, something in security is a good idea as well.
From some expressions on extinction risks as I have observed—extinction risks might actually be containing suffering risks. It could be the expectation of death is torturing. For example, if one suddenly die next second without expecting, there will be no suffering risks. In risks that could be expected, all risks might contain some components of suffering risks.
Read some other comments, and career coaching from 80k sounds like a good suggestion!
Some other thoughts:
if you have an area that you care about already, you could do active work in this area
if you have not identified an area yet, AND it does not matter to you to work on things you care less about, maybe find something interesting and relatively high paying for financial purposes and make monetary donations, or volunteering if you have time
I believe there are all kinds of combinations of the above!
I disagree with this perspective, but I am also confused on the downvotes as the comment seems academic and polite—shouldn’t disagreements be expressed through the X? Or did I miss some criteria on down/upvotes?