I guess African, Indian and Chinese voices are underrepresented in the AI Governance discussion. And in the unlikely case we die, we all die and it think it’s weird that half the people who will die have noone loyal to them in the discussion.
We want AI that works for everyone and it seems likely you want people who can represent billions who aren’t currently with a loyal representative.
I’m actually more concerned about the underrepresentation of certain voices as it applies to potential adverse effects of AGI (or even near-AGI) on society that don’t involve all of us dying. In the everyone-dies scenario, I would at least be similarly situated to people from Africa, India, and China in terms of experiencing the exact same bad thing that happens. But there are potential non-fatal outcomes, like locking in current global power structures and values, that affect people from non-Western countries much differently (and more adversely) than they’d affect people like me.
Yeah, in a scenario with “nation-controlled” AGI, it’s hard to see people from the non-victor sides not ending up (at least) as second-class citizens—for a long time. The fear/lack of guarantee of not ending up like this makes cooperation on safety more difficult, and the fear also kind of makes sense? Great if governance people manage to find a way to alleviate that fear—if it’s even possible. Heck, even allies of the leading state might be worried—doesn’t feel too good to end up as a vassal state. (Added later (2023-06-02): It may be a question that comes up as AGI discussions become mainstream.)
Wouldn’t rule out both American and Chinese outside of respective allied territory being caught in the crossfire of a US-China AI race.
Political polarization on both sides in the US is also very scary.
This strikes me as another variation of “EA has a diversity problem.” Good to keep in mind that is it not just about progressive notions of inclusivity, though. There may be VERY significant consequences for the people in vast swaths of the world if a tiny group of people make decisions for all of humanity. But yeah, I also feel that it is a super weird aspect of the anarchic system (in the international relations sense of anarchy) that most of the people alive today have no one representing their interests.
It also seems to echo consistent critiques of development aid not including people in decision-making (along the lines of Ivan Illich’s To Hell with Good Intentions, or more general post-colonial narratives).
What means “have noone loyal to them” and “with a loyal representative”? Are you talking about the indian government? Or are you talking about EAs talking part in discussions such as yourself? (In which case, who are you loyal to?)
And I don’t think I’m good here. I think I try to be loyal to them, but I don’t know what the chinese people want and I think if I try and guess I’ll get it wrong in some key areas.
I’m reminded of when givewell?? asked recipients how they would trade money for children’s lives and they really fucking loved saving children’s lives. If we are doing things for others benefit we should take their weightings into account.
I guess African, Indian and Chinese voices are underrepresented in the AI Governance discussion. And in the unlikely case we die, we all die and it think it’s weird that half the people who will die have noone loyal to them in the discussion.
We want AI that works for everyone and it seems likely you want people who can represent billions who aren’t currently with a loyal representative.
I’m actually more concerned about the underrepresentation of certain voices as it applies to potential adverse effects of AGI (or even near-AGI) on society that don’t involve all of us dying. In the everyone-dies scenario, I would at least be similarly situated to people from Africa, India, and China in terms of experiencing the exact same bad thing that happens. But there are potential non-fatal outcomes, like locking in current global power structures and values, that affect people from non-Western countries much differently (and more adversely) than they’d affect people like me.
Yeah, in a scenario with “nation-controlled” AGI, it’s hard to see people from the non-victor sides not ending up (at least) as second-class citizens—for a long time. The fear/lack of guarantee of not ending up like this makes cooperation on safety more difficult, and the fear also kind of makes sense? Great if governance people manage to find a way to alleviate that fear—if it’s even possible. Heck, even allies of the leading state might be worried—doesn’t feel too good to end up as a vassal state. (Added later (2023-06-02): It may be a question that comes up as AGI discussions become mainstream.)
Wouldn’t rule out both American and Chinese outside of respective allied territory being caught in the crossfire of a US-China AI race.
Political polarization on both sides in the US is also very scary.
Sorry, yes. I think that ideally we don’t all die. And in those situations voices loyal to representative groups seem even more important.
This strikes me as another variation of “EA has a diversity problem.” Good to keep in mind that is it not just about progressive notions of inclusivity, though. There may be VERY significant consequences for the people in vast swaths of the world if a tiny group of people make decisions for all of humanity. But yeah, I also feel that it is a super weird aspect of the anarchic system (in the international relations sense of anarchy) that most of the people alive today have no one representing their interests.
It also seems to echo consistent critiques of development aid not including people in decision-making (along the lines of Ivan Illich’s To Hell with Good Intentions, or more general post-colonial narratives).
What means “have noone loyal to them” and “with a loyal representative”? Are you talking about the indian government? Or are you talking about EAs talking part in discussions such as yourself? (In which case, who are you loyal to?)
I think that’s part of the problem.
Who is loyal to the chinese people?
And I don’t think I’m good here. I think I try to be loyal to them, but I don’t know what the chinese people want and I think if I try and guess I’ll get it wrong in some key areas.
I’m reminded of when givewell?? asked recipients how they would trade money for children’s lives and they really fucking loved saving children’s lives. If we are doing things for others benefit we should take their weightings into account.