I don’t know man, virtue signaling to non-vegans and vegans that you care about animals can be done simply by telling people you donate 10% of your money to animal welfare. It doesn’t take much more than that. Utilitarianism can be explained.
As for lowering cognitive dissonance, this is an extremely person to person thing. I would never prescribe veganism to an EA with this reasoning. And this this was a common reason, why haven’t I also been told to have a pet/animal companion to increase how much moral worth I give animals?
And reducing daily suffering that you cause can also be done better with an extra 10 cents or so. Wouldn’t this be more in accordance with your values? Surely 10 cents is also cheaper than veganism.
I listed in descending order of importance. I might be confused for one of those “hyper rationalist” types in many instances. I think rationalist undervalue the cognitive dissonance. In my experience, a lot of rationalists just don’t value non human animals. Even rationalists behave in a much more “vibes” based way than they’d have you believe. It really is hard to hold in your head both “it’s okay to eat animals” and “we can avert tremendous amounts of suffering to hundreds of animals per dollar and have a moral compulsion to do so”.
I also wouldn’t call what I do virtue signaling. I never forthright tell people and I live in a very conservative part of the world.
Two of your reasons to go vegan involve getting to tell others you are vegan. I find this pretty dishonest because I assume you aren’t telling them this.
It’s not about telling others I’m vegan. It’s about telling them that I think non human animals are worthy of moral consideration. I also tell people that I donate to animal welfare charities and even which ones.
I don’t think that virtue signaling by telling most people you donate 10 percent would with week to noon vegans would work well. Most of my friends would consider me a hypocrite for doing that, and longer explanations wouldn’t work for many.
Utilitarianism can be explained, but even after that explanation many would consider eating meat and offsetting hypocritical, even if it might be virtuous.
The point of the virtue signaling is the signaling, not the virtue and the cleanest and easiest way to do that in many circles might be going vegan.
So if they ask you, “why are you vegan?”, your honest answer would be “because I need you to accept me as a non-hypocrite.”????? I don’t think vegans would give you any extra consideration if they knew this was your reasoning. Any other reason you give would be dishonest and misleading.
I don’t know man, virtue signaling to non-vegans and vegans that you care about animals can be done simply by telling people you donate 10% of your money to animal welfare. It doesn’t take much more than that. Utilitarianism can be explained.
As for lowering cognitive dissonance, this is an extremely person to person thing. I would never prescribe veganism to an EA with this reasoning. And this this was a common reason, why haven’t I also been told to have a pet/animal companion to increase how much moral worth I give animals?
And reducing daily suffering that you cause can also be done better with an extra 10 cents or so. Wouldn’t this be more in accordance with your values? Surely 10 cents is also cheaper than veganism.
Sorry if I sound attacking.
I listed in descending order of importance. I might be confused for one of those “hyper rationalist” types in many instances. I think rationalist undervalue the cognitive dissonance. In my experience, a lot of rationalists just don’t value non human animals. Even rationalists behave in a much more “vibes” based way than they’d have you believe. It really is hard to hold in your head both “it’s okay to eat animals” and “we can avert tremendous amounts of suffering to hundreds of animals per dollar and have a moral compulsion to do so”.
I also wouldn’t call what I do virtue signaling. I never forthright tell people and I live in a very conservative part of the world.
Two of your reasons to go vegan involve getting to tell others you are vegan. I find this pretty dishonest because I assume you aren’t telling them this.
It’s not about telling others I’m vegan. It’s about telling them that I think non human animals are worthy of moral consideration. I also tell people that I donate to animal welfare charities and even which ones.
I don’t think that virtue signaling by telling most people you donate 10 percent would with week to noon vegans would work well. Most of my friends would consider me a hypocrite for doing that, and longer explanations wouldn’t work for many.
Utilitarianism can be explained, but even after that explanation many would consider eating meat and offsetting hypocritical, even if it might be virtuous.
The point of the virtue signaling is the signaling, not the virtue and the cleanest and easiest way to do that in many circles might be going vegan.
So if they ask you, “why are you vegan?”, your honest answer would be “because I need you to accept me as a non-hypocrite.”????? I don’t think vegans would give you any extra consideration if they knew this was your reasoning. Any other reason you give would be dishonest and misleading.