warrenjordan

• warrenjordanJun 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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  in reply to: Max Ghenis’s comment on: What are some good char­i­ties to donate to re­gard­ing sys­temic racial in­jus­tice?

  CEA has a recommendation list for criminal justice reform? I can’t seem to find it on their website.

[Question] As a small donor, should I donate with an ecosys­tem ap­proach or fo­cus on one or­ga­ni­za­tion?

• warrenjordanJun 9, 2020, 1:30 AM

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  in reply to: thisisntrob’s comment on: What are some good char­i­ties to donate to re­gard­ing sys­temic racial in­jus­tice?

  I agree with you everything you said regarding EAs focusing on the cause areas that are going to do the most good, and for those organizations to carry the burden of evidence /​ proof so that we are enabled to reduce the most suffering per dollar.

  That being said, I’m unconvinced that EAs should be donating any money to charities focussing on systemic racial injustice right now.

  I’m not trying to convince others that this is a top priority cause area. It’s definitely not and wouldn’t encourage people to donate if their singular goal is to do the most good in the world.

  I have more than one goal here, however. My goal is to find out how I can do the most good in this cause area. I don’t want people to stop donating to x-risk, global health, or farm animal welfare. I’m still donating to GiveWell charities and those take up a majority of my donations still.

  I feel that to start with the cause area and work backwards is akin to doing an experiment to prove a result, rather than to find one.

  As GiveWell points out, that’s difficult to accomplish, even with their own top charities. I agree that we should continue donating to places that have shown the evidence. Yet, we can’t expect the same GiveWell-like evidence in other cause areas, whether it’s an EA cause or not. That’s why they started Open Philanthropy.

  I don’t think that you or anyone else should donate any money to a charity based on felt compassion or intuition

  I’m not the type of person to be a perfect utilitarian robot, nor do I want to be. If I were, then I wouldn’t have donated money to my best friend’s father’s funeral which they couldn’t afford.

  Peter Singer says in his famous TED talk that EA combines both the head and the heart.

  • My heart is in global health and poverty, as a someone whose parents and family grew up poor in a third-world country and suffer from chronic disease because of it. My head tells me to donate to GiveWell charities.

  • My heart is also in criminal justice reform, as a POC whose had family members and friends incarcerated and faced similar injustices. My head wants to find the most effective donation I can make.

• warrenjordanJun 3, 2020, 4:16 AM

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  on: It’s OK To Also Donate To Non-EA Causes

  I’m new to EA and this was a great reminder. I’ve had this on-and-off internal conflict of donating to EA vs non-EA cause areas. From a personal finance framing, I have EA donations as one line item and “Random Acts of Kindness” as another line item in my monthly budget (e.g. ranging from paying for a friend’s meal to donating to non-EA cause area such as criminal justice reform).

  Side note: What was your decision-making process for choosing to donate to Campaign Zero? I’m trying assess where my donations would have the most impact. I’m hesitant to donate to them compared to other organizations that Open Phil has vetted through their criminal justice reform grants, as well as their recent letter to interested donors as a result of the protests.

• warrenjordanJun 2, 2020, 10:35 PM

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  in reply to: David_Moss’s comment on: What are some good char­i­ties to donate to re­gard­ing sys­temic racial in­jus­tice?

  As a person still new to EA, it was disheartening to see the downvotes. You can see in my post history that I rely on this community to be educated and engaged on EA, including how I can apply it to my life.

  After I saw the downvotes, it gave me the perception of exclusivity in this community. I’m glad I was made aware that there was a duplicate question, which I apologize for missing. Yet, I’m a little apprehensive now of posting anything that doesn’t seem to fit the bucket of EA cause areas.

  The purpose of my post wasn’t to give more attention to a non-EA cause. I want to apply the principles and concepts of EA so that I and others can make an informed, confident decision on how our dollars can make the greatest amount of impact in this specific cause area.

  If this community is only receptive and knowledgeable of EA cause areas, such that discussions around non-EA causes won’t provide meaningful value, then please tell me so that I can engage in a different community.

• warrenjordanJun 2, 2020, 10:15 PM

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  in reply to: alex lawsen’s comment on: What are some good char­i­ties to donate to re­gard­ing sys­temic racial in­jus­tice?

  I wanted to share this document which Chloe Cockburn, the person who runs strategy on criminal justice reform at Open Phil, posted this in response to donors asking for advice.

  https://​​docs.google.com/​​document/​​d/​​1GGgEZ8ebFd6--C4wLeJV9XrX1OPPg40NL6F1QDo53Bs/​​edit

  Thanks for sharing Campaign Zero! Reading about their organization, it feels similar or analogous to donating to an EA longtermist organization. It’s great that they are data-informed and backed by research on their strategic initiatives. Yet, as I feel with any longtermist organization (EA or not), I have a hard time donating money without knowing the amount of impact it could have. This is why I just donate to GiveWell and other global health charities right now.

[Question] What are some good char­i­ties to donate to re­gard­ing sys­temic racial in­jus­tice?

• warrenjordanMay 8, 2020, 10:54 PM

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  in reply to: Ahrenbach’s comment on: Direct work vs. earn-to-give

  It sounds like you might have a comparative advantage in health tech though that would enable you to do a lot of good working for a health tech organization that produces technology that benefits the global poor

  Yeah, that’s another option I can build career capital for. Most of the health tech jobs in the market is towards US healthcare problems, which is what my experience is in. A goal, one day, would be to work for or start a global health non-profit leveraging technology to scale a validated health intervention (e.g tech-enabled AMF).

  But to build that career capital, I don’t think I need to work in healthcare my entire career. It’d probably be better to build that capital across a breadth of industries. That’s an assumption though and need to network with others to confirm that.

[Question] Direct work vs. earn-to-give

• warrenjordanApr 25, 2020, 12:01 AM

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  in reply to: Aaron Gertler 🔸’s comment on: When speak­ing with non-EAs, talk about cost of in­ter­ven­tion or cost of avert­ing a death?

  Those are really good points! The hardest thing about this is trying to simplify it without losing them in the details/​statistics/​numbers—but also not oversimplifying it that people don’t believe you or are skeptical.

  What’s interesting is if the $2300 to save a life would resonate with the average person. I know when I first read about this, I didn’t think much of it. But then when I saw it in comparison to the $50k guide dog for blind person in the US, that really drove home the point for me.

• warrenjordanApr 13, 2020, 3:15 AM

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  on: Au­di­ence Tar­get­ing for EA com­mu­ni­ties

  Raising for Effective Giving targets the poker industry. The co-founders are poker players themselves and found that players embody the ‘E’ in EA. They propose that this audience tends to be more rational and logic than the general population. Their initial outreach strategy was to target players who have a pre-existing altruistic tendency, and get them to donate to more effective charities.

  Not sure if that constitutes as data for your purposes, but they are an example of how they’ve targeted an audience that has seen some success in converting to EA.

[Question] When speak­ing with non-EAs, talk about cost of in­ter­ven­tion or cost of avert­ing a death?

EA char­ity re­sponses to COVID-19

[Question] Is donat­ing to AMF and malaria in­ter­ven­tions the most cost-effec­tive way to save lives from COVID-19?

• warrenjordanMar 23, 2020, 11:12 PM

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  in reply to: MichaelA🔸’s comment on: Is COVID an op­por­tu­nity for non-EAs to give effec­tively?

  But you could try to first suggest what the best donation opportunities that are COVID/​pandemic-related are, and then point out in a very non-pushy way how other things may be especially neglected right now, and thus especially valuable to donate to. Sort of like an intellectual point that they can take or leave, with you having first accepted and respected their starting point of interest in COVID specifically.

  That’s sounds like a good approach. I’m the only EA I know of so just spreading the ideas /​ principles that resonates with my peers is difficult.

  As someone still fairly new to EA myself, I’m considered longtermism but haven’t done enough time investment to change my donation strategy as I prioritize direct interventions for global health.

  Let me know how the fundraiser goes! I am going to wait until I hear something from GiveWell, but will definitely look into CHS.

• warrenjordanMar 23, 2020, 11:00 PM

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  in reply to: Sanjay’s comment on: The best places to donate for COVID-19

  GiveDirectly has provided more information about their response. It looks like they’ll expand beyond the US. If it does, how would that change your categorization? It’d probably depend on the country (e.g. sub-saharan Africa vs. Italy vs. China).

  We also plan to respond internationally, and are finalizing those details. Will share shortly.

[Question] Is COVID an op­por­tu­nity for non-EAs to give effec­tively?

• warrenjordanMar 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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  in reply to: Kit’s comment on: GiveDirectly plans a cash trans­fer re­sponse to COVID-19 in US

  Thank you for the clarification.

  If funding for different GiveDirectly projects are sufficiently separate, your donation would pretty much just increase the budgets of the programmes you wish to support, perhaps especially if you give via GiveWell.

  Confused about this one as I have not donated directly to GiveDirectly—I thought that if I were to donate $100 for standard cash transfer, some % of that goes directly to recipients. They state 89% for specific African countries. I would hope there would be some comparable % for standard cash transfers to US recipients.

  If I were considering giving to GiveDirectly, I would want to look into this a bit more.

  What questions come to mind for you? Some that I think of...

  • What is the criteria for someone to receive this benefit? What does that vetting process look like?

  • What would coverage look like?

  • How do they ensure that the funds will actually benefit the recipients and where do they draw those margins?

GiveDirectly plans a cash trans­fer re­sponse to COVID-19 in US

[Question] Vol­un­teer op­por­tu­ni­ties for Global Health?