For context, CEA accepted at EAG Bay Area 2023 a journalist who has at times written critically of EA and individual EAs, and who is very much not a community member. I am deliberately not naming the journalist, because they havenât done anything wrong and Iâm still trying to work out my own thoughts.
On one hand, âjournalists who write nice things get to go to the events, journalists who write mean things get excludedâ is at best ethically problematic. Itâs very very very normal: political campaigns do it, industry events do it, individuals do it. âAccess journalismâ is the norm more than it is the exception. But that doesnât mean that we should. One solution is to be very very careful about maintaining the differentiation between âcommunity memberâ and âcritical or notâ. Dylan Matthews is straightforwardly an EA and has reported critically on a past EAG: if he was excluded for this I would be deeply concerned.
On the other hand, I think that, when hosting an EA event, an EA organization has certain obligations to the people at that event. One of them is protecting their safety and privacy. EAs who are journalists can, I think, generally be relied upon to be fair and to respect the privacy of individuals. That is not a trust I extend to journalists who are not community members: the linked example is particularly egregious, but tabloid reporting happens.
EAG is a gathering of community members. People go to advance their goals: see friends, network, be networked at, give advice, get advice, learn interesting things, and more. In a healthy movement, I think that EAGs should be a professional obligation, good for the individual, or fun for the individual. It doesnât have to be all of them, but it shouldnât harm them on any axis.
Someone might be out about being bi at an after-party with friends, but not want to see that detail being confirmed by a fact-checker for a national paper. This doesnât seem particularly unusual. They would be right to trust community members, but might not realize that there could be journalists at the after-party. Non-community journalists will not necessarily share norms about privacy or have particularly strong incentives to follow any norms that do exist.
On the gripping hand, it feels more than a little hypocritical to complain about the low quality of criticism of EA and also complain when a journalist wants to attend an EA event to get to know the movement better.
One thing Iâm confident of is that I wish that this had been more clearly disclosed. âThis year we are excited to welcome X, who will be providing a critical view on EAâ is good enough to at least warn people that someone whose bio says that they are interested in
how the wealthiest people in society spend their money or live their lives
(emphasis mine)
is attending.
Iâm still trying to sort out the rest of my views here. Happy to take feedback. Itâs very possible that Iâm missing some information about this.
P.S.
I have been told by someone at CEA that all attending journalists have agreed that everything at EAG is off the record by default. I donât consider this to be an adequate mitigating factor for accepting non-community journalists and not mentioning this to attendees or speakers.
P.P.S.
And no, Iâm not using a pseudonym for this. I think that that is a bad and damaging trend on the Forum, and I donât, actually, believe that anyone at CEA will retaliate against me for posting this.
Hi Keller â appreciate the thoughts here! I wanted to quickly note that we did actually give attendees a heads up about this in our attendee guide, and weâve done similarly in most of our other recent conference attendee guides.
Though I generally donât expect attendees to read this all the way through, we did share it multiple times, and Iâm not sure whether it would have made sense to email attendees about the journalist section specifically (if I was going to reiterate something, it probably wouldnât be this).
If someone attends the event as a journalist, why not have their lanyard show that they are a journalist? This seems like itâs a very easy thing to do and something like this is probably pretty standard at large events that are not fully public(?) This would probably solve some of the issues, as people know who they are talking to (and eg organisers of private afterparties could just not let journalists in if they donât want them at their party).
I do agree thereâs a wide spectrum of what âdisclosing thisâ looks like and I think itâs entirely possible that you did disclose it enough or maybe even disclosed it more than enough (for example, if perhaps we conclude it didnât need to be disclosed at all, then you did more than necessary). I thinkâlike KellerâI donât really have a view on this. But I think the level of disclosure you did do is also entirely possible to be pretty inadequate (again Iâm genuinely not sure) given that is on page 9 of a guide I imagine most people donât read (I didnât). But I imagine you agree with this.
I feel like the relevant thing isnât mentioning the possibility a journalist might be there; if I was to read this I think Iâd assume this meant EA journalists (or at least EA-adjacent /â fellow traveller) and hence largely ignore it.
I think it was implied by this statement but I think itâs a fair point that we could make this more explicit: âIn interviews, donât speak on behalf of the entire EA community, or anyone else in the EA communityâ (as if you were talking to an EA journalist, I think this wouldnât really apply).
Fair enough, though I didnât pick that up on first read I think youâre right it is implied. I think my true rejection here is about invitations not disclosure.
On the gripping hand, it feels more than a little hypocritical to complain about the low quality of criticism of EA and also complain when a journalist wants to attend an EA event to get to know the movement better.
It seems plausible to me that the presence of hostile journalists might net reduce the quality of criticism by making people feel rationally inhibited from talking frankly.
I appreciate you raising this despite not having an actual view on the topic and I appreciate you being clear that this is a complex topic thatâs hard to form a view on.
I think I had a lot of freewheeling conversations at EAG and I donât think I thought enough about the fact that journalists I donât trust by default might be able to overhear and comment on those conversations and that thinking through this may have a somewhat chilling effect on how I interact in future EAGs, which I find to be unfortuntate.
That being said, I totally agree with you that excluding these journalists may also be unfair or otherwise based on bad norms, and itâs a pretty thorny trade-off. Like you, this is something I donât really fully understand.
Itâs unfortunate if EA feels they have to block critical journalists from marquee events. Being open and transparent is a hugely valuable part of the EA movement, and even a mixed positive/ânegative press article is likely to be net good for the movementâespecially at the moment with all the negative press going on.
If a journalist is bent on writing criticism, they may well write criticism regardless of if we let them in to an event or not. The counterfactual of not accepting them could potentially make things worse long term too, if they double down and even use the rejection as a reason to criticise more severely.
One great thing to do could be to spend a lot of time making friends with and understanding journalists at the event. Make them feel welcome and connected to people who are there, so perhaps they will be more empathetic and fair when they write their piece?
Someone might be out about being bi at an after-party with friends, but not want to see that detail being confirmed by a fact-checker for a national paper. This doesnât seem particularly unusual.
This isnât the only thing that could go wrong, but itâs a straightforward example. Perhaps they donât want their full name blatantly linked to their online account. There are lots of reasons that people might want privacy. Unless your life is at risk, I would not assume that you have privacy from a journalist who isnât a personal friend unless they have an explicit commitment. I trust journalists who are also community members to not take harmful advantage of access.
Something that is sometimes not obvious to people not used to dealing with journalists is that off-the-record sometimes means âI canât officially tell you this, so please find another source who can corroborate itâ. Itâs not remotely the same thing as an expectation of privacy and good sense that one would have with a friend.
Some post-EAG thoughts on journalists
For context, CEA accepted at EAG Bay Area 2023 a journalist who has at times written critically of EA and individual EAs, and who is very much not a community member. I am deliberately not naming the journalist, because they havenât done anything wrong and Iâm still trying to work out my own thoughts.
On one hand, âjournalists who write nice things get to go to the events, journalists who write mean things get excludedâ is at best ethically problematic. Itâs very very very normal: political campaigns do it, industry events do it, individuals do it. âAccess journalismâ is the norm more than it is the exception. But that doesnât mean that we should. One solution is to be very very careful about maintaining the differentiation between âcommunity memberâ and âcritical or notâ. Dylan Matthews is straightforwardly an EA and has reported critically on a past EAG: if he was excluded for this I would be deeply concerned.
On the other hand, I think that, when hosting an EA event, an EA organization has certain obligations to the people at that event. One of them is protecting their safety and privacy. EAs who are journalists can, I think, generally be relied upon to be fair and to respect the privacy of individuals. That is not a trust I extend to journalists who are not community members: the linked example is particularly egregious, but tabloid reporting happens.
EAG is a gathering of community members. People go to advance their goals: see friends, network, be networked at, give advice, get advice, learn interesting things, and more. In a healthy movement, I think that EAGs should be a professional obligation, good for the individual, or fun for the individual. It doesnât have to be all of them, but it shouldnât harm them on any axis.
Someone might be out about being bi at an after-party with friends, but not want to see that detail being confirmed by a fact-checker for a national paper. This doesnât seem particularly unusual. They would be right to trust community members, but might not realize that there could be journalists at the after-party. Non-community journalists will not necessarily share norms about privacy or have particularly strong incentives to follow any norms that do exist.
On the gripping hand, it feels more than a little hypocritical to complain about the low quality of criticism of EA and also complain when a journalist wants to attend an EA event to get to know the movement better.
One thing Iâm confident of is that I wish that this had been more clearly disclosed. âThis year we are excited to welcome X, who will be providing a critical view on EAâ is good enough to at least warn people that someone whose bio says that they are interested in
(emphasis mine)
is attending.
Iâm still trying to sort out the rest of my views here. Happy to take feedback. Itâs very possible that Iâm missing some information about this.
P.S.
I have been told by someone at CEA that all attending journalists have agreed that everything at EAG is off the record by default. I donât consider this to be an adequate mitigating factor for accepting non-community journalists and not mentioning this to attendees or speakers.
P.P.S.
And no, Iâm not using a pseudonym for this. I think that that is a bad and damaging trend on the Forum, and I donât, actually, believe that anyone at CEA will retaliate against me for posting this.
Hi Keller â appreciate the thoughts here! I wanted to quickly note that we did actually give attendees a heads up about this in our attendee guide, and weâve done similarly in most of our other recent conference attendee guides.
Though I generally donât expect attendees to read this all the way through, we did share it multiple times, and Iâm not sure whether it would have made sense to email attendees about the journalist section specifically (if I was going to reiterate something, it probably wouldnât be this).
If someone attends the event as a journalist, why not have their lanyard show that they are a journalist? This seems like itâs a very easy thing to do and something like this is probably pretty standard at large events that are not fully public(?) This would probably solve some of the issues, as people know who they are talking to (and eg organisers of private afterparties could just not let journalists in if they donât want them at their party).
I do agree thereâs a wide spectrum of what âdisclosing thisâ looks like and I think itâs entirely possible that you did disclose it enough or maybe even disclosed it more than enough (for example, if perhaps we conclude it didnât need to be disclosed at all, then you did more than necessary). I thinkâlike KellerâI donât really have a view on this. But I think the level of disclosure you did do is also entirely possible to be pretty inadequate (again Iâm genuinely not sure) given that is on page 9 of a guide I imagine most people donât read (I didnât). But I imagine you agree with this.
I feel like the relevant thing isnât mentioning the possibility a journalist might be there; if I was to read this I think Iâd assume this meant EA journalists (or at least EA-adjacent /â fellow traveller) and hence largely ignore it.
I think it was implied by this statement but I think itâs a fair point that we could make this more explicit: âIn interviews, donât speak on behalf of the entire EA community, or anyone else in the EA communityâ (as if you were talking to an EA journalist, I think this wouldnât really apply).
Fair enough, though I didnât pick that up on first read I think youâre right it is implied. I think my true rejection here is about invitations not disclosure.
It seems plausible to me that the presence of hostile journalists might net reduce the quality of criticism by making people feel rationally inhibited from talking frankly.
I appreciate you raising this despite not having an actual view on the topic and I appreciate you being clear that this is a complex topic thatâs hard to form a view on.
I think I had a lot of freewheeling conversations at EAG and I donât think I thought enough about the fact that journalists I donât trust by default might be able to overhear and comment on those conversations and that thinking through this may have a somewhat chilling effect on how I interact in future EAGs, which I find to be unfortuntate.
That being said, I totally agree with you that excluding these journalists may also be unfair or otherwise based on bad norms, and itâs a pretty thorny trade-off. Like you, this is something I donât really fully understand.
Thanks for bringing this to broader attention. I think I am opposed to this (admitting the journalist), mostly for the reasons you state.
Itâs unfortunate if EA feels they have to block critical journalists from marquee events. Being open and transparent is a hugely valuable part of the EA movement, and even a mixed positive/ânegative press article is likely to be net good for the movementâespecially at the moment with all the negative press going on.
If a journalist is bent on writing criticism, they may well write criticism regardless of if we let them in to an event or not. The counterfactual of not accepting them could potentially make things worse long term too, if they double down and even use the rejection as a reason to criticise more severely.
One great thing to do could be to spend a lot of time making friends with and understanding journalists at the event. Make them feel welcome and connected to people who are there, so perhaps they will be more empathetic and fair when they write their piece?
Or am I just being naive about journalists...
This isnât the only thing that could go wrong, but itâs a straightforward example. Perhaps they donât want their full name blatantly linked to their online account. There are lots of reasons that people might want privacy. Unless your life is at risk, I would not assume that you have privacy from a journalist who isnât a personal friend unless they have an explicit commitment. I trust journalists who are also community members to not take harmful advantage of access.
Something that is sometimes not obvious to people not used to dealing with journalists is that off-the-record sometimes means âI canât officially tell you this, so please find another source who can corroborate itâ. Itâs not remotely the same thing as an expectation of privacy and good sense that one would have with a friend.
Do you mean EAGx Berkeley 2022 or EA Global: Bay Area 2023?
Bay Area 2023. Will edit.