I’m a community builder and I’ve worked at/with CEA, the SERI ML Alignment Theory Scholars program, and EA Cambridge. My degree is in Computer Science.
Currently, I think a lot about the epistemics of EA: Is EA just like any other ideology (epistemologically)? Does moral uncertainty pose a problem to buying into “EA moral philosophy”? And I’m trying to find people who ask these questions in a similar way to me!
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yes! From reading about burnout it can seem like it only happens to people who hate their job, work in bad environments, etc. But it can totally happen to people who love their job!
thanks and big agree; I want to see many more different experiences of energy problems written up!
the causes of people’s energy problems are so many and varied! It would be great to have many different experiences written up, including stress and anxiety-induced problems.
Thanks for feedback re:appendix, will see if others say the same :)
Optimistic note with low confidence:
In my impression, SBF thought he was doing an ‘unpalatable’ but right thing given the calculations (and his epistemic immodesty). Promoting a central meme in EA like “naïve calculations like this are too dangerous and too fallible” might solve a lot of the issue. I think dangerously-optimize-y people in EA are already updating in this direction as a result of FTX. Before FTX, being “hardcore” and doing naïve calculations was seen as cool sometimes. If we correct hard for this right now, it may be less of an issue in the future.
2 main caveats:
The whole “don’t do naïve calculations” idea is quite complex and not easy to communicate. This may make it hard to correct for it.
The movements of the memes of a space as large and complex as EA are probably hard to predict. All sorts of crazy things might happen and I have no clue. Like for example there could be a new counterculture part of EA that becomes super dangerously-optimize-y. (But at least they would face more of an uphill battle in this world.)
ah, the thing about fragile cooperative equilibria makes sense to me.
I’m not as sure as you that this shift would happen to core EA though. I could also imagine that current EAs will have a very allergic reaction to new, unaligned people coming in and trying to take advantage of EA resources. I imagine something like a counterculture forming where aligned EAs start purposefully setting themselves apart from people who’re only in it for a piece of the pie, by putting even more emphasis on high EA alignment. I believe I’ve already seen small versions of this happening in response to non-altruistic incentives appearing in EA.
The faster the flood of new people and change of incentives happens, the more confident I am in this view. Overall, I’m not extremely confident at all though.
On your last point, if I understand this right this is not the thing you’re most worried about though? Like, these people hijacking EA are not the mechanism by which EA may collapse in your view?
It’s unclear to me whether you are saying that the potentially huge number of new people in EA will try to take advantage of EA resources for personal gain or that WE, who are currently in EA for altruistic reasons, will do so. The former sounds likely to me, the latter doesn’t.
I might be missing crucial context here since I’m not familiar with the Thielosphere and all that, but overall I also don’t think a huge number of new, unaligned people will be the downfall of EA. As long as leadership, thought-leaders, and grantmakers in EA stay aligned, it may be harder for them to determine whom to give that grant (or that stamp of approval), but wouldn’t that just simply lead to less grants? Which seems bad but not like the end?
Or are you imagining highly intelligent people with impressive resumes who strategically aim to hijack EA resources for their aims and get into important positions in EA?
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If effective altruists’ messages are hacked, taken out of context, and publicly revealed, it could substantially and even permanently harm the movement. Consider the example of John Podesta, chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign. Many of his emails, including those that made Clinton and her campaign look bad, were obtained by hackers in a data breach and published in Wikileaks.
How likely is it that someone would target the EA movement by hacking messages and taking them out of context?
I agree with you, being “a highly cool and well networked EA” and “do things which need to be done” are different goals. This post is heavily influenced by my experience as a new community builder and my perception that, in this situation, being “a highly cool and well networked EA” and “do things which need to be done” are pretty similar. If I wasn’t so sociable and network-y, I’d probably still be running my EA reading group with ~6 participants, which is nice but not “doing things which need to be done”. For technical alignment researchers, this is probably less the case, though still much more than I would’ve expected.
Hi Claire,
what are your thoughts on “going one meta-level up” and trying to build the meta space? Specifically creating opportunities like UGAP, the GCP internships, or running organisers’ summits to get more and better community builders? I’m unsure but I thought this might be at odds with some of the points you raised, e.g., that we might neglect object-level work and its community-building effect. I’d love to hear your thoughts!
So when I entered university I was probably capable of doing 0.5 hours per day on average.
hahah I feel this
(I’m an organiser at EA Edinburgh and from Germany.)
Yes. Your point about the social culture at German universities seems crucial. The lack of an extensive extracurricular life in and around the university should lead to smaller EA groups (because of people not looking for student groups, less enthusiasm from organisers, lacking knowledge about how to build such groups, …)
In terms of action plans, I think an important component is getting EA group organisers excited and ambitious. Communication between large, vibrant EA groups and German groups would be good for this. Show them what is possible. And then we probably need upskilling.
Apart from that, German groups probably need the same things as other groups. I think that this is mainly, again, excited organisers, who are willing to put in time. Just in case this is interesting to you, I’m thinking about running a “bootcamp” in the UK for new organisers, fellowship facilitators, etc. to get them excited about organising. (Approaches similar to this seem to have an amazing track record.) Would be happy to chat about this!
Thanks a lot, I think it’s really valuable to have your experience written up!