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• more better 23 Mar 2024 6:11 UTC

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  in reply to: Jeff Kaufman 🔸’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Fair point.

  OTOH, If Trump wins or “wins” in 2024, I’m honestly not sure a legitimate election would be possible in 2028, in which case 2024 would have been the most important.

  Hoping 2024 is legitimate. There are justified concerns that Trump will not accept defeat (assuming legitimate defeat) and will stop at nothing to regain power. He is a very dangerous man.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 23:02 UTC

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  in reply to: Larks’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Thanks for sharing a summary of the content in addition to the link! Super helpful as I do not have streaming right now and am trying to avoid hyperlinks.

  It makes sense that politicians would say this kind of thing leading up to an election. However, the futures that these 2 candidates are proposing are wildly different. I know that I am not alone (neither here on the forum nor IRL) in believing that this election will be a tipping point and will have implications that ripple far beyond just the US.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 22:51 UTC

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  in reply to: Larks’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  That was my interpretation, though the specific forums in question were not named directly so I cannot be certain.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 22:48 UTC

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  in reply to: more better ’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Wow, this went from a karma level 8 to a 1 in under an hour.

  I typically view this forum as a place where civil discourse ought to be, and often is, encouraged. This downvoting feels a bit like a unique form of censorship.

  I would love to understand how people are thinking about this.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 20:53 UTC

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  in reply to: Habryka [Deactivated]’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Thanks for sharing:

  Curious as to your take on this: If this forum existed prior to WW2 and there was a post suggesting that it was imperative to prevent Hitler from gaining power, would you have felt that post should not have been made?

  I do agree that exceptions can be a slippery slope, and certainly don’t think all US elections warrant exception. This one has potential to accelerate harm globally and is occurring in one of the most powerful countries in the world. US citizens can influence its outcome. This election will have global ramifications spanning generations. If some do not feel this is a moral imperative, that’s okay, but I am not sure why downvoting my post would feel like the appropriate course of action.

  Sorry for not engaging with the links you posted. I have had cybersecurity issues and have been advised to be more careful about clicking on unfamiliar links and to avoid certain forums. This is a bummer, as I really enjoyed some of that content .

• more better 21 Mar 2024 19:25 UTC

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  in reply to: Rebecca’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Interesting, thanks for sharing!

  I can see how that may be the case and I appreciate your feedback. It made me think.

  I believe there can be value in keeping a space politically neutral, but that there are circumstances that warrant exceptions and that this is one such case. If Trump wins, I believe that moral progress will unravel and several cause areas will be rendered hopeless.

  If there had been a forum in existence before WW2, I wonder if posts expressing concerns about Hitler or inquiring about efforts to counter actions of Nazis would have been downvoted. I certainly hope not.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 17:59 UTC

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  in reply to: Arturo Macias’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Thanks for sharing. I agree that this election is atypical.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 17:54 UTC

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  in reply to: more better ’s comment on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  Can you all help me understand why this is getting downvoted? At the moment the comment’s karma is −2, though 6 people have agreed and 3 have disagreed.

  Is the downvoting likely occurring because:

  A) I shouldn’t have written this as a response to the above post.

  B) I did not provide sufficient rationale.

  C) You prefer Trump over Biden.

  D) You don’t believe electing Trump would threaten national and international security /​ increase cumulative suffering.

  E) You believe that voting for a write in candidate or third party has a real chance at being successful.

  F) Something else (I’d be grateful if you specify).

  Thanks for the feedback.

• more better 21 Mar 2024 7:12 UTC

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  on: New story about Dustin Moskovitz, EA, his meet­ing with Joe Bi­den, plans for the 2024 elec­tion, and his beef with Marc An­dreessen over AI

  I am so grateful to Moskovitz and Tuna for making these donations.

  This coming November is — technically— a US election. That being said, if Trump were to win, it would lead to worsened security and immense suffering nationally and internationally. The US cannot let Trump become President and must do everything possible to prevent this from happening (barring illegal or unethical actions).

  From my POV, supporting Biden by ensuring he gets the votes he needs seems like the only viable option. If you have other ideas please share them!

  This election is absolutely critical. How can we strategize and coordinate with the aim of avoiding the worst outcome? What organizations/​ who is working on this, either in or outside of EA? If you’re not comfortable posting,pleasemessage me.

  • please forgive me in advance for not explaining my rationale fully; I do not currently have access to clean internet network or computer so am typing on my phone.

• more better 24 Apr 2023 0:08 UTC

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  in reply to: niplav’s comment on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  Interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess I’m less certain that wealth has led to faster moral progress.

• more better 24 Apr 2023 0:05 UTC

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  in reply to: niplav’s comment on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  Thanks for taking the time to respond; I appreciate it.

• more better 18 Apr 2023 19:59 UTC

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  in reply to: niplav’s comment on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  @niplav Interesting take; thanks for the detailed response.

  Technically, I think that AI safety as a technical discipline has no “say” in who the systems should be aligned with. That’s for society at large to decide.

  So, if AI safety as a technical discipline should not have a say on who systems should be aligned with, but they are the ones aiming to align the systems, whose values are they aiming to align the systems with?

  Is it naturally an extension of the values of whoever has the most compute power, best engineers, and most data?

  I love the idea of society at large deciding but then I think about humanity’s track record.

• more better 18 Apr 2023 19:34 UTC

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  in reply to: Jaime Sevilla’s comment on: An­nounc­ing Epoch’s dash­board of key trends and figures in Ma­chine Learning

  Interesting, thanks for answering!

• more better 18 Apr 2023 19:24 UTC

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  in reply to: more better ’s comment on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  Or is there a (spoken or unspoken) consensus that working on aligned AI means working on aligned superintelligent AI?

• more better 17 Apr 2023 18:36 UTC

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  in reply to: PeterSlattery’s comment on: Please help me sense-check my as­sump­tions about the needs of the AI Safety com­mu­nity and re­lated ca­reer plans

  @PeterSlattery I want to push back on the idea about “regular” movement building versus “meta”. It sounds like you have a fair amount of experience in movement building. I’m not sure I agree that you went meta here, but if you had, am not convinced that would be a bad thing, particularly given the subject matter.

  I have only read one of your posts so far, but appreciated it. I think you are wise to try and facilitate the creation of a more cohesive theory of change, especially if inadvertently doing harm is a significant risk.

  As someone on the periphery and not working in AI safety but who has tried to understand it a bit, I feel pretty confused as I haven’t encountered much in the way of strategy and corresponding tactics. I imagine this might be quite frustrating and demotivating for those working in the field.

  I agree with the anonymous submission that broader perspectives would likely be quite valuable.

• more better 17 Apr 2023 3:41 UTC

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  in reply to: more better ’s comment on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  Like, what is the incentive for everyone using existing models to adopt and incorporate the new aligned AI?

• more better 17 Apr 2023 3:39 UTC

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  on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  If aligned AI is developed, then what happens?

• more better 17 Apr 2023 0:29 UTC

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  on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  Who should aligned AI be aligned with?

• more better 16 Apr 2023 17:14 UTC

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  on: An­nounc­ing Epoch’s dash­board of key trends and figures in Ma­chine Learning

  This is great!

  Is the prediction that we will run out of text by 2040 specific to human-generated text or does it account for generative text outputs (which, as I understand it, are also being used as inputs)?

• more better 16 Apr 2023 16:04 UTC

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  on: All AGI Safety ques­tions wel­come (es­pe­cially ba­sic ones) [April 2023]

  I read that AI-generated text is being used as input data due to a data shortage. What do you think are some foreseeable implications of this?