EA Forum Prize: Winners for March 2021
CEA is pleased to announce the winners of the March 2021 EA Forum Prize!
In first place (for a prize of $500): āIs Democracy a Fad?,ā by Ben Garfinkel.
Second place ($300): āHow much does performance differ between people?,ā by Max Daniel and Benjamin Todd.
Third place ($200): āDonāt Be Bycatch,ā by AllAmericanBreakfast.
Fourth place ($200): āHow to run a high-energy reading group,ā by Tessa Alexanian.
Fifth place ($200): āAgainst neutrality about creating happy lives,ā by Joe Carlsmith.
The following users were each awarded a Comment Prize ($75):
AnonymousEAForumAccount on mistakes that may have inhibited movement growth
xuan on the pitfalls of outreach to students with family wealth
See here for a list of all prize announcements and winning posts.
What is the EA Forum Prize?
Certain posts and comments exemplify the kind of content we most want to see on the EA Forum. They are well-researched and well-organized; they care about informing readers, not just persuading them.
The Prize is an incentive to create content like this. But more importantly, we see it as an opportunity to showcase excellent work as an example and inspiration to the Forumās users.
About the winning posts and comments
Note: I write this section in first person based on my own thoughts, rather than by attempting to summarize the views of the other judges.
Is Democracy a Fad?
Itās natural to wonder: Will this rise in democracy last? Or will democracy turn out to be only a passing fadāsomething like the Ice Bucket Challenge of regime types?
Letās suppose, to be more specific, that one thousand years from now people and states still at least kind of exist. How surprised should we be if democracy is no more common then than it was in the year 1000AD?
While this question is a lot to tackle in a single post, I liked several aspects of Benās attempt:
The key points he added at the beginning, rather than only crossposting text from his original blog post
The rapid, frank admission of his limitations on this topic (āI havenāt actually read that much about democracyā)
The references to historical writing on democracy, which emphasize (in my view, correctly) that we tend to update too much on recent events. They also helped me to see Benās post in the same context (he may not be driven by ācurrent eventsā to the same degree, but any post like this is likely to be somewhat anchored on the most recent available data).
The use of a prediction at the end, and the willingness to update that prediction + share the update in the post as a result of ensuing discussion.
Oh, and also the actual, object-level content of the post. Benās choice of which topics/āquestions to focus on seems reasonable to me, I like the way he compares democracy to many other social trends, and the prose quality + humor made the post a pleasant reading experience.
Iāll also second Larks in noting that a certain footnote deserves more prominence. (Kudos to Ben for acknowledging the possibility that the question heās tried to answer winds up being largely irrelevant to the actual structure of the future.)
How much does performance differ between people?
Some people seem to achieve orders of magnitude more than others in the same job. For instance, among companies funded by Y Combinator the top 0.5% account for more than ā of the total market value; and among successful bestseller authors, the top 1% stay on the New York Times bestseller list more than 25 times longer than the median author in that group.
This is a striking and often unappreciated fact, but raises many questions. How many jobs have these huge differences in achievements? More importantly, why can achievements differ so much, and can we identify future top performers in advance?
This post may be the best example Iāve seen on the Forum of being productively āwrong on the internetā.
The authors of this post chose to research an important and deeply complicated question. Inevitably, commenters had various objections. While Iām not sure which side I take for some of the ensuing debates (to the extent that there were āsidesā to take), I learned a lot by reading everything. Based on Benās āmore accurateā summary, Iād guess that he and Max also learned a lot, and made some updates as a result.
Not all Forum discussions are this productive. It helps that this was a post by two well-known researchers (so Iām not surprised people spent a lot of time/āattention on it), but I think a few other factors also helped it inspire a good conversation:
Providing a huge number of examples in the course of investigating claims. This gave people many chances to question particular examples, and by doing so, make general points that could apply more broadly to the postās conclusions. If you share five different examples for why X is true, people are more likely to catch some flaw in your reasoning and zero in on āactually, X isnāt quite true, but (thing close to X) isā.
Presenting many different āfindingsā, each of which had its own section of the post. This has a similar effect to sharing lots of examples ā you make it easier for people to identify when something sounds wrong, and to present counter-arguments that have some clear implication for your conclusions.
And the individual sections made it easier to see which evidence was driving which findings; I can imagine a version of the post where all the evidence was bundled together, with findings summarized at the end, and I think that would have been much harder to comment on.
Finally, the obvious factor: Max Daniel leaving dozens of comments in which he responded constructively to various criticisms. Not fancy, but very effective at producing better discussion!
Apart from the question of which factors helped the authors leverage Cunninghamās Law, I also liked:
The use of a āfurther researchā section, which will hopefully inspire future posts on an important topic that weāve only begun to explore as a community
The use of a glossary to clarify how certain terms were being used. (Some of the ensuing discussion was about how those same terms were potentially misused, so the glossary may not have had the intended effect, but it was still nice to include.)
Donāt Be Bycatch
EA organizations and writers are doing us a favor by presenting a set of ideas that speak to us. They canāt be responsible for addressing all our needs. Thatās something we need to figure out for ourselves [...] How do we help each other to help others?
Lots of good advice here, paired with a perspective I find useful: while itās hard for most people in EA to live up to the movementās most ambitious advice, there are still many ways to make an impact on a smaller scale. Because the post is mostly a list of tips with simple formatting, Iāll just use this writeup to quote my favorites:
āDonāt aim for instant success. Aim for 20 years of solid growth.ā
āPrefer the known, concrete, solvable problem to the quest for perfection. Yes, running an EA book club or, gosh darn it, picking up trash in the park is a fine EA project to cut our teeth on. If you donate 0% of your income, donating 1% of your income is moving in the right direction.ā (I once spent a few hours cleaning up trash in my apartment complex, and found the experience more satisfying than nearly any donation Iāve ever made.)
āBuild each other up. Do zoom calls. Ask each other questions. Send a message to a stranger whose blog posts you like. Form relationships, and care about those relationships for their own sake. That is literally what EA community development is about.ā
āBe a founder and an instigator, even if the organization is temporary, the activity incomplete. Do a little bit of everything. Have the guts to write for this forum, if you have time. Organize an event with a friend. Buy a domain name and throw together a website.ā (Iāve done a little bit of everything in my EA career. I was bad at most of it, but the accumulated experience helped me better understand the movement as a whole, and made me a better advisor for people who have skills I lack.)
How to run a high-energy reading group
Why are reading groups and journal clubs bad so often?
I think there are two reasons: boring readings and low-energy discussions. This post is about how to avoid those pitfalls.
This is a perfect example of how to inspire action through writing. In a relatively brief post, Tessa gives advice that applies across a wide range of situations ā for organizers with different levels of experience and free time, and groups of different sizes:
If someone wants to invest a ton of energy into a novel group, they can use Tessaās advice about reaching out to experts for suggestions; if they want to throw something together quickly, they can reference her suggested reading lists.
If someone runs an EA group already, they can use Tessaās suggested structure for bigger groups; if they have exactly one friend to read with, thereās also a suggestion for that! (And Tessaās conclusion explains how sheās currently making use of multiple structures in her own reading groups ā I thought this made the whole concept feel more approachable.)
I also loved the advice on note-taking, paired with a memorable anecdote. As a whole, the post is a wonderful blend of inspiration and execution ā in fewer than 2000 words!
Against neutrality about creating happy lives
I think that creating someone who will live a wonderful life is to do, for them, something incredibly significant and worthwhile. Exactly how to weigh this against other considerations in different contexts is an additional and substantially more complex question. But I feel very far from neutral about it, and Iād hope that others, in considering whether to create me, wouldnāt feel neutral, either. This post tries to point at why.
āThis common philosophical point seems intuitively wrongā isnāt an easy trick to pull off. And yet, it can be very valuable to attempt.
Few people choose actions through philosophy alone. Even within EA, Iād argue that most of us follow our moral intuitions most of the time. If thatās the case, building a discussion around an intuition lets you get at the reasons people actually do things. It helps people who agree with you better understand what led them to a given belief. And it gives people who disagree with you a chance to engage with your ātrueā reasons; if someone persuades you that your intuition is flawed, youāre more likely to change your actions than you would if they made some clever philosophical argument that didnāt engage with your intuition.
Your perspective on this post may depend mostly on how well Joeās intuitions match yours. They match mine very well, so Iām reluctant to discuss the āstrengthā of the argument or anything like that. (See this comment from someone whose intuitions were different.)
I appreciated the use of a single thought experiment, presented from multiple perspectives (elegant!). And given that this post tends toward poetry over dry philosophy and consideration of counterpoints (as this comment notes), I was glad to see the links to Beckstead and Broome for people who want a different kind of discussion. While I largely share his intuitions, I wouldnāt want someone to adopt Joeās position based on this post alone, without examining detailed arguments on both sides.
(Also, congratulations to Joe for his second straight win! Iāve enjoyed many of the posts heās shared from his blog, and Iām glad he took the time to bring them to the Forum.)
The winning comments
I wonāt write up an analysis of each comment. Instead, here are my thoughts on selecting comments for the prize.
The voting process
The current prize judges are:
Rob Wiblin (who didnāt vote this month)
All posts published in the titular month qualified for voting, save for those in the following categories:
Procedural posts from CEA and EA Funds (for example, posts announcing a new application round for one of the Funds)
Posts linking to othersā content with little or no additional commentary
Posts which got fewer than five additional votes after being posted (not counting the authorās automatic vote)
Voters recused themselves from voting on posts written by themselves or their colleagues. Otherwise, they used their own individual criteria for choosing posts, though they broadly agree with the goals outlined above.
Judges each had ten votes to distribute between the monthās posts. They also had a number of āextraā votes equal to [10 - the number of votes made last month]. For example, a judge who cast 7 votes last month would have 13 this month. No judge could cast more than three votes for any single post.
The winning comments were chosen by Aaron Gertler, though other judges had the chance to nominate and veto comments before this post was published.
Feedback
If the Prize has changed the way you read or write on the Forum, or you have an idea for how we could improve it, please leave a comment or send me a private message.
Hi Aaron, Iām glad that you and others felt they got value out of our post and the discussion in the comments. (And obviously Iām glad that we won a Forum prize.)
Iād just like to clarify a few things because Iām concerned that your writeup might imply the opposite, at least on some readings:
I think I made a number of mistakes of exposition, particularly with the summary (which is the part of our long Google doc that I included in the EA Forum post). [Iām using āIā here since I was the main author of the wording, and so I think mistakes of exposition are primarily my rather than Benās responsibility.] The discussion helped me realize this, which Iām grateful for.
I donāt think I was substantially wrong about any of my key beliefs on this topic. More broadly, I have changed my mind about the āsubstanceā of our findings only to a very limited extent.
(Just based on priors I think that probably some of my current beliefs on this topic are wrong. But I donāt know which ones and how, and the discussion didnāt help me make progress with this.)
Minor: My understanding is that Ben intended to say that his summary for the 80k blog is āmore accurateā than his own earlier Twitter summary (as opposed to being more accurate than the EA Forum post summary). But I didnāt ask Ben for clarification and would welcome a correction.
From my perspective, the two summaries serve different purposes and are optimized for different audiences. I donāt think that one is generally more accurate than the other.