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Pop­u­la­tion ethics

TagLast edit: 22 Aug 2022 19:51 UTC by Leo

Population ethics is the branch of normative ethics that attempts to justify and articulate principles for making choices between alternatives involving different people. These differences can consist of changes either in the number of people affected or only in the identities of these people.

Further reading

Aird, Michael (2020) Collection of evidence about views on longtermism, time discounting, population ethics, significance of suffering vs happiness, etc. among non-EAs, Effective Altruism Forum, May 10.
Many additional resources with some relevance to this topic.

Arrhenius, Gustaf, Jesper Ryberg & Torbjörn Tännsjö (2006) The repugnant conclusion, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, February 16 (updated 16 January 2017).

Chappell, Richard Y., Darius Meissner & William MacAskill (2022) Population ethics, An Introduction to Utilitarianism.

Greaves, Hilary (2017) Population axiology, Philosophy Compass, vol. 12, pp. 1–15.

Karnofsky, Holden (2022) Debating myself on whether “extra lives lived” are as good as “deaths prevented”, Cold Takes, March 29.
An engaging yet rigorous introduction to some of the key issues in population ethics in the form of an imaginary dialogue between a proponent and an opponent of total utilitarianism.

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De­scrip­tive Pop­u­la­tion Ethics and Its Rele­vance for Cause Prioritization

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66 points
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[Question] Why do you find the Repug­nant Con­clu­sion re­pug­nant?

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Cri­tique of MacAskill’s “Is It Good to Make Happy Peo­ple?”

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115 comments8 min readEA link

Min­i­mal­ist ex­tended very re­pug­nant con­clu­sions are the least repugnant

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Against neu­tral­ity about cre­at­ing happy lives

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Teruji Thomas, ‘The Asym­me­try, Uncer­tainty, and the Long Term’

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6 comments1 min readEA link
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Teo Ajantaival19 Jul 2024 13:00 UTC
60 points
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A longter­mist cri­tique of “The ex­pected value of ex­tinc­tion risk re­duc­tion is pos­i­tive”

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129 points
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55 points
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Defend­ing the Pro­cre­ation Asym­me­try with Con­di­tional Interests

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13 comments4 min readEA link

The psy­chol­ogy of pop­u­la­tion ethics

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173 points
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[Question] Why do EAs have chil­dren?

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Min­i­mal­ist ax­iolo­gies and pos­i­tive lives

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Hilary Greaves: Repug­nant interventions

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Repug­nance and replacement

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The per­son-af­fect­ing value of ex­is­ten­tial risk reduction

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22 points
23 comments8 min readEA link

The prob­lem with per­son-af­fect­ing views

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44 points
22 comments3 min readEA link

The Im­pos­si­bil­ity of a Satis­fac­tory Pop­u­la­tion Prospect Axiology

EJT12 May 2021 15:35 UTC
36 points
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29 points
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[Question] Time-av­er­age ver­sus In­di­vi­d­ual-av­er­age To­tal Utilitarianism

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12 points
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Pos­si­ble mis­con­cep­tions about (strong) longtermism

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90 points
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45 points
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42 points
10 comments6 min readEA link

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61 points
14 comments29 min readEA link

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102 points
13 comments12 min readEA link

New book — “Suffer­ing-Fo­cused Ethics: Defense and Im­pli­ca­tions”

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105 points
20 comments3 min readEA link

Shelly Ka­gan—read­ings for Ethics and the Fu­ture sem­i­nar (spring 2021)

james29 Jun 2021 9:59 UTC
91 points
7 comments5 min readEA link
(docs.google.com)

Con­fused about “mak­ing peo­ple happy” vs. “mak­ing happy peo­ple”

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67 points
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Toby Ord’s The Scourge, Reviewed

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59 points
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My per­sonal cruxes for fo­cus­ing on ex­is­ten­tial risks /​ longter­mism /​ any­thing other than just video games

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55 points
28 comments3 min readEA link

The Repug­nant Con­clu­sion Isn’t

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54 points
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226 points
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2 points
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22 points
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Why I am prob­a­bly not a longtermist

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230 points
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31 points
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48 comments7 min readEA link

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The asym­me­try and the far future

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11 points
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An Is­sue with the Repug­nant Conclusion

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−1 points
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−7 points
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22 points
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34 points
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My favourite ar­gu­ments against per­son-af­fect­ing views

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The re­pug­nant con­clu­sion is not a prob­lem for the to­tal view

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30 points
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9 points
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GiveWell’s Char­ity Recom­men­da­tions Re­quire Tak­ing a Con­tro­ver­sial Stance on Pop­u­la­tion Ethics

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30 points
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Aging re­search and pop­u­la­tion ethics

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25 points
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15 points
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A sim­ple ar­gu­ment for the bad­ness of hu­man extinction

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4 points
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[Question] How do most util­i­tar­i­ans feel about “re­place­ment” thought ex­per­i­ments?

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34 points
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48 points
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8 points
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My (Lazy) Longter­mism FAQ

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30 points
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3 points
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Talk - ‘Car­ing for the Far Fu­ture’

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13 points
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16 points
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26 points
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11 points
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9 points
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21 points
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Abun­dance Es­ti­mates of Three Wild Populations

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50 points
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Timeline Utilitarianism

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15 points
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12 points
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17 points
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10 points
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19 points
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107 points
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Weighted wellbe­ing pop­u­la­tion theory

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MysteryMeat6 Oct 2023 13:09 UTC
−18 points
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Do not go gen­tle: why the Asym­me­try does not sup­port anti-natalism

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4 points
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[Opz­ionale] Perché prob­a­bil­mente non sono una lungoterminista

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1 point
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The asym­me­try, un­cer­tainty, and the long term

Global Priorities Institute30 Sep 2019 13:37 UTC
13 points
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The stan­dard per­son-af­fect­ing view doesn’t solve the Repug­nant Con­clu­sion.

Gil23 Aug 2022 19:58 UTC
21 points
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7 points
21 comments3 min readEA link
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Peter McLaughlin7 Oct 2022 10:52 UTC
187 points
61 comments18 min readEA link
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