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Earn­ing to give

TagLast edit: 11 Jan 2022 21:46 UTC by Pablo

Earning to give is the pursuit of a lucrative career with the purpose of donating a significant portion of the earnings to cost-effective organizations.

The value of earning to give may not be immediately obvious, since people tend to think of ethical jobs as those with a direct positive impact. A useful framing for comparing the social impact of earning to give with that of traditional careers in the nonprofit sector is to consider whether someone pursuing a lucrative career could earn enough to fund at least one nonprofit worker as competent as him- or herself. This will often be the case because there is considerable salary variation across career-types, because money is a fungible resource that can fund many different causes, and because the impact of a charity worker is usually only marginally higher than that of its counterfactual replacement.[1]

Although this approach has sometimes been represented as the highest impact type of career, 80,000 Hours currently believes that it is the best option for only a small proportion of members of the effective altruism community.[2] To a significant extent, this follows from the fact that the most promising causes tend to be talent-constrained rather than funding-constrained.[3]

The expression earning to save has been suggested for a type of earning to give where earnings are invested for later disbursement rather than donated immediately.[4][5] A “moderate” version of investing until the end of a person’s career may be contrasted with an “extreme” version of investing for as long as possible (potentially involving many generations, centuries or millennia).

Further reading

MacAskill, William (2014) Replaceability, career choice, and making a difference, Ethical theory and moral practice, vol. 17, pp. 269–283.

Shulman, Carl (2012) Salary or startup? How do-gooders can gain more from risky careers, 80,000 Hours, January 8.

Stafforini, Pablo (2014) Earning to give: an annotated bibliography, Pablo’s Miscellany, March 22 (updated 16 September 2016).

Tomasik, Brian (2006) Why activists should consider making lots of money, Essays on Reducing Suffering.

Wiblin, Robert (2017) Alex Gordon-Brown on making millions for charity each year by working in quant finance, 80,000 Hours, August 28.

Related entries

constraints on effective altruism | investing | patient altruism

  1. ^

    MacAskill, William (2014) Replaceability, career choice, and making a difference, Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, vol. 17, pp. 269–283.

  2. ^
  3. ^

    Todd, Benjamin (2015) Why you should focus more on talent gaps, not funding gaps, 80,000 Hours, November 27.

  4. ^

    Arnold, Raymond (2018) Earning to save (give 1%, save 10%), Effective Altruism Forum, November 26.

  5. ^

    Todd, Benjamin (2020) An argument for keeping open the option of earning to save, Effective Altruism Forum, August 31.

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60 points
44 comments1 min readEA link

Salary Ne­go­ti­a­tion for Earn­ing to Give

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57 points
28 comments2 min readEA link

What Is earn­ing to give?

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10 points
0 comments3 min readEA link

The Priv­ilege of Earn­ing To Give

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86 points
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152 points
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51 points
29 comments11 min readEA link
(markxu.com)

Thoughts on earn­ing to give (MCF 2024 memo)

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47 points
13 comments6 min readEA link

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Jeff Kaufman 🔸16 Dec 2018 20:23 UTC
28 points
10 comments6 min readEA link

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78 points
4 comments16 min readEA link

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Jonah_Sinick28 May 2013 4:00 UTC
2 points
0 comments8 min readEA link

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Henry Stanley 🔸9 Nov 2019 9:03 UTC
58 points
1 comment1 min readEA link
(www.theguardian.com)

Earn­ing to Save (Give 1%, Save 10%)

Raemon26 Nov 2018 23:47 UTC
91 points
39 comments3 min readEA link

AIM (CE) new pro­gram: Found­ing to Give. Ap­ply now to launch a high-growth com­pany!

CE14 Mar 2024 12:13 UTC
170 points
12 comments5 min readEA link

De­spite billions of ex­tra fund­ing, small donors can still have a sig­nifi­cant impact

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166 points
47 comments12 min readEA link

Earn­ing to give may be the best op­tion for pa­tient EAs

JackM26 Dec 2021 10:26 UTC
31 points
5 comments6 min readEA link

Peter Hur­ford thinks that a large pro­por­tion of peo­ple should earn to give long term

Peter Wildeford17 Aug 2015 15:42 UTC
53 points
77 comments6 min readEA link

Show me the harm

Benjamin_Todd6 Aug 2013 4:00 UTC
7 points
1 comment7 min readEA link

Ap­ply to Ne­go­ti­at­ing for Good [Feb 26 - Mar 12]

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44 points
2 comments3 min readEA link

Should Earn­ers-to-Give Work at Star­tups In­stead of Big Com­pa­nies?

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85 points
23 comments23 min readEA link

Re­place­abil­ity Con­cerns and Pos­si­ble Responses

sapphire2 Aug 2020 18:19 UTC
34 points
7 comments4 min readEA link

A ro­bust earn­ing to give ecosys­tem is bet­ter for EA

abrahamrowe11 Nov 2023 22:17 UTC
299 points
68 comments9 min readEA link

Soft­ware en­g­ineer­ing—Ca­reer review

Benjamin Hilton8 Feb 2022 6:11 UTC
93 points
19 comments8 min readEA link
(80000hours.org)

The Fu­ture of Earn­ing to Give

PeterMcCluskey13 Oct 2019 21:28 UTC
70 points
34 comments10 min readEA link
(www.bayesianinvestor.com)

EA Fundrais­ing Through Ad­van­tage Sports Bet­ting: A Guide ($500/​Hour in Select States)

Sam Anschell27 Jan 2022 8:57 UTC
63 points
78 comments13 min readEA link

[Question] Is earn­ing to give more ad­van­ta­gious?

Glenn_V17 Jan 2022 16:21 UTC
3 points
1 comment2 min readEA link

[Question] What’s the role of dona­tions now that the EA move­ment is richer than ever?

Richard Annilo1 Nov 2021 17:00 UTC
43 points
19 comments1 min readEA link

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51 points
9 comments15 min readEA link

When Real­iz­ing Cap­i­tal Gains Re­duces Tax

ABlank5 Jan 2024 0:18 UTC
8 points
0 comments3 min readEA link

10 years of Earn­ing to Give

AGB 🔸7 Nov 2023 23:35 UTC
678 points
29 comments9 min readEA link

Seed fund­ing non­prof­its: a high-risk, high-re­ward ap­proach (Founders Pledge)

KarolinaSarek🔸31 Aug 2020 15:25 UTC
49 points
1 comment5 min readEA link

Why You Should Earn to Give in Tulsa, OK, USA

NicoleJaneway29 May 2022 17:18 UTC
59 points
7 comments3 min readEA link

Gor­don Ir­lam: an effec­tive al­tru­ist ahead of his time

Louis_Francini10 Jun 2020 20:48 UTC
97 points
4 comments2 min readEA link

How im­por­tant is marginal earn­ing to give?

Ben Kuhn19 May 2015 20:41 UTC
16 points
72 comments1 min readEA link

Com­mon re­sponses to earn­ing to give

Ben Kuhn10 Jun 2013 4:00 UTC
1 point
1 comment5 min readEA link

Earn­ing To Give as a Doc­tor in Switzerland

Nadia Montazeri11 Sep 2021 13:31 UTC
43 points
5 comments6 min readEA link

A Sum­mary of Pro­fes­sion-Based Com­mu­nity Building

Sean Lawrence20 Dec 2022 22:08 UTC
67 points
0 comments11 min readEA link

The Bit­ter­sweet­ness of Re­place­abil­ity

Lila11 Jul 2015 23:44 UTC
18 points
22 comments6 min readEA link

How I missed my pledge and how I’m fix­ing it

Daniel_Dewey10 Oct 2016 0:06 UTC
21 points
9 comments2 min readEA link

Fi­nance Ca­reers for Earn­ing to Give

kbog6 Mar 2016 5:15 UTC
9 points
11 comments1 min readEA link

Jeff Be­zos an­nounces dona­tion plans (in re­sponse to ques­tion)

david_reinstein14 Nov 2022 14:31 UTC
113 points
12 comments1 min readEA link
(www.cnn.com)

[Question] Con­fused about fund­ing short­ages and earn­ing to give

eric69826 Apr 2022 1:26 UTC
2 points
3 comments1 min readEA link

Does it make sense for EA’s to be more risk-seek­ing in earn­ing to give?

Joey 🔸20 May 2022 15:29 UTC
63 points
4 comments2 min readEA link

Should you switch away from earn­ing to give? Some con­sid­er­a­tions.

William_MacAskill25 Aug 2016 22:37 UTC
15 points
78 comments6 min readEA link

A Model of Pa­tient Spend­ing and Move­ment Building

NunoSempere8 Nov 2021 18:00 UTC
92 points
27 comments4 min readEA link

Why earn to give? (tran­script)

TopherHallquist19 Sep 2014 20:50 UTC
6 points
5 comments13 min readEA link

How to have cost-effec­tive fun

Kat Woods30 Jun 2018 21:23 UTC
53 points
22 comments7 min readEA link

Bring­ing back earn­ing to give

Vaishnav Sunil2 Dec 2022 21:24 UTC
27 points
4 comments3 min readEA link

[Question] Direct work vs. earn-to-give

warrenjordan4 May 2020 0:08 UTC
5 points
2 comments1 min readEA link

Log-nor­mal lamentations

Gregory Lewis🔸19 May 2015 21:07 UTC
28 points
11 comments8 min readEA link

[Question] What are peo­ple’s ob­jec­tions to earn­ing-to-give?

DC13 Apr 2019 20:16 UTC
26 points
10 comments1 min readEA link

Earn­ing to Give as Costly Signalling

Raemon24 Jun 2017 16:43 UTC
11 points
5 comments1 min readEA link

Lawyer­ing to Give

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13 points
14 comments5 min readEA link

Why EA meta, and the top 3 char­ity ideas in the space

Joey 🔸6 Jan 2021 15:47 UTC
88 points
20 comments10 min readEA link

MacKen­zie Scott’s grant­mak­ing data

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37 points
6 comments1 min readEA link
(yieldgiving.com)

Ded­i­cated Donors May Not Want to Sign the Giv­ing What We Can Pledge

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17 points
20 comments4 min readEA link

[Question] Where should I donate?

Eevee🔹22 Nov 2021 20:56 UTC
29 points
10 comments1 min readEA link

Con­tra Ap­piah Defend­ing Defend­ing “Cli­mate Villains”

Cullen 🔸12 Sep 2022 14:58 UTC
27 points
7 comments4 min readEA link

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Benjamin_Todd29 Jul 2021 11:47 UTC
301 points
105 comments21 min readEA link

[Question] Should I donate my earn­ings when my ca­reer is just be­gin­ning?

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8 points
5 comments1 min readEA link

Giv­ing now vs. later: a summary

Julia_Wise🔸23 Jul 2013 4:00 UTC
43 points
7 comments1 min readEA link

Earn­ing to Give v. Pur­su­ing your Pas­sion/​Direct Work

cdc48230 Jul 2016 3:04 UTC
0 points
9 comments1 min readEA link

Leav­ing Google, Join­ing the Nu­cleic Acid Observatory

Jeff Kaufman 🔸11 Jun 2022 1:37 UTC
170 points
15 comments3 min readEA link

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Aaron Gertler 🔸31 Jan 2020 9:59 UTC
11 points
1 comment8 min readEA link
(80000hours.org)

Profit­ing-to-Give: har­ness­ing EA tal­ent with a new fund­ing model

andavargas4 Mar 2019 9:22 UTC
26 points
12 comments2 min readEA link

[Question] Re­sources on the ex­pected value of found­ing a for-profit start-up?

Matt Putz5 Apr 2021 20:38 UTC
6 points
5 comments1 min readEA link

An ar­gu­ment for keep­ing open the op­tion of earn­ing to save

Benjamin_Todd31 Aug 2020 15:09 UTC
34 points
13 comments3 min readEA link

Earn­ing to Give: Pro­gram­ming Lan­guage Choice

Ben_West🔸5 Apr 2015 15:45 UTC
5 points
13 comments1 min readEA link

Vo­ca­tional Ca­reer Guide for Effec­tive Altruists

kbog26 Jan 2019 11:16 UTC
35 points
8 comments5 min readEA link

Pass­ing Up Pay

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128 points
25 comments5 min readEA link
(www.jefftk.com)

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Eevee🔹31 Dec 2022 6:28 UTC
9 points
7 comments1 min readEA link

GWWC has am­bi­tious plans from 2022 on­wards (we’re hiring!)

Luke Freeman16 Mar 2022 6:21 UTC
133 points
4 comments13 min readEA link
(www.givingwhatwecan.org)

Why and how to earn to give (80,000 Hours)

Arden Koehler10 Nov 2023 11:30 UTC
51 points
1 comment1 min readEA link
(80000hours.org)

EA Fi­nance NYC Meetup

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2 points
0 comments1 min readEA link

[Question] How much should you be ex­pect­ing to earn in or­der to con­sider ETG?

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12 points
3 comments1 min readEA link

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82 points
13 comments1 min readEA link
(www.lesswrong.com)

Fi­nan­cial guidance for US-based donors

Rebecca Herbst9 Oct 2023 23:57 UTC
39 points
0 comments2 min readEA link

Is the 10% Giv­ing What We Can Pledge Core to EA’s Rep­u­ta­tion?

DirectedEvolution6 Jun 2023 5:42 UTC
16 points
15 comments8 min readEA link

Func­tions of a com­mu­nity stan­dard in the 2%/​8% fuzzies/​utilons debate

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2 points
8 comments9 min readEA link

AMA: Earn­ing to Give

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92 points
38 comments1 min readEA link

AMA: Ben West, former startup founder and EtGer

Ben_West🔸7 Nov 2023 22:04 UTC
45 points
40 comments1 min readEA link

[Question] How does it feel to switch from earn-to-give?

Neil Warren31 Mar 2024 23:14 UTC
8 points
0 comments1 min readEA link

UK In­come Tax & Donations

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70 points
11 comments6 min readEA link

We need 40,000h or maybe even 20,000h

martyna18 Feb 2022 10:02 UTC
139 points
46 comments1 min readEA link

EAs Should In­vest All Year, then Give only on Giv­ing Tuesday

Cullen 🔸10 Jan 2019 21:17 UTC
54 points
24 comments2 min readEA link

[Linkpost] John Wesley’s sur­pris­ingly EA-al­igned views on the use of money

EA for Christians28 Sep 2023 16:09 UTC
32 points
1 comment13 min readEA link
(christandcounterfactuals.substack.com)

Quick, High-EV Ad­van­tage Sports­bet­ting Op­por­tu­nity in 18 US States

Joseph B.4 Jun 2023 3:27 UTC
−1 points
4 comments4 min readEA link

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Larks28 Jan 2016 3:59 UTC
13 points
19 comments7 min readEA link

Yascha Mounk has started a se­ries of es­says on effec­tive altruism

James Herbert11 Nov 2024 16:16 UTC
9 points
4 comments1 min readEA link
(yaschamounk.substack.com)

How good it is to donate and how hard it is to get a job

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150 points
11 comments6 min readEA link

Direct Work For-Profit En­trepreneur­ship is Underrated

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37 points
10 comments4 min readEA link

To save the world, don’t get a job at a char­ity; go work on Wall Street

William_MacAskill27 Feb 2013 5:00 UTC
3 points
4 comments3 min readEA link

[Question] Any­one tried to mon­e­tize a hobby with the in­tent of ETG?

warrenjordan1 Nov 2023 16:09 UTC
21 points
5 comments1 min readEA link

My Mid-Ca­reer Tran­si­tion into Biosecurity

Jeff Kaufman 🔸2 Oct 2023 21:13 UTC
64 points
22 comments2 min readEA link

Con­sider Earn­ing Less

ElliotJDavies1 Jul 2023 12:45 UTC
123 points
11 comments2 min readEA link

[Question] Where are the EA-al­igned fi­nan­cial ad­vi­sors for ma­jor donors?

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18 points
7 comments1 min readEA link

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16 points
7 comments7 min readEA link

In­dex In­vest­ing and EA

Mahendra Prasad6 Jul 2022 18:23 UTC
10 points
0 comments1 min readEA link
(bogleheads.podbean.com)

Giv­ing op­por­tu­nity: $50 ‘thank you’ notes

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17 points
5 comments1 min readEA link

EA Sur­vey 2020 Series: Dona­tion Data

david_reinstein26 Oct 2021 15:31 UTC
49 points
4 comments48 min readEA link

In­tro­duc­ing the EA Good Gover­nance Project

Grayden 🔸8 Oct 2022 19:42 UTC
114 points
9 comments4 min readEA link

There’s a role for small EA donors in cam­paign finance

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31 points
12 comments3 min readEA link

Per­sonal Fi­nance Coach­ing for EAs: Call for Ap­pli­cants

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32 points
1 comment3 min readEA link

Free money from New York gam­bling websites

Robi Rahman24 Jan 2022 22:50 UTC
74 points
46 comments2 min readEA link

The $100trn op­por­tu­nity: ESG in­vest­ing should be a top pri­or­ity for EA careers

Sanjay18 Mar 2021 13:54 UTC
72 points
5 comments7 min readEA link

Con­sider work­ing more hours and tak­ing more stimulants

Arjun Panickssery15 Dec 2022 20:38 UTC
73 points
23 comments4 min readEA link

Si­mul­ta­neous Shortage and Oversupply

Jeff Kaufman 🔸26 Jan 2019 19:35 UTC
41 points
10 comments2 min readEA link

How to op­ti­mize your taxes as a donor in the US: donate ap­pre­ci­ated se­cu­ri­ties, make a donor-ad­vised fund, and bunch your donations

sam_brenner30 Apr 2022 10:19 UTC
15 points
8 comments11 min readEA link
(www.sambrenner.xyz)

[Question] Meta char­ity fo­cused on earn­ing to give?

defun 🔸24 Oct 2024 13:21 UTC
11 points
6 comments1 min readEA link

How much could a SWE at top com­pa­nies donate through­out their 20-year ca­reer?

SmallCat8 Aug 2022 14:09 UTC
9 points
0 comments3 min readEA link

ESG in­vest­ing isn’t high-im­pact, but it could be

Sanjay18 Mar 2021 14:07 UTC
92 points
6 comments29 min readEA link

EAs should ‘in­vest to give’. A per­spec­tive from Fin­tech founders

Marco Vega14 Feb 2023 15:51 UTC
−57 points
11 comments21 min readEA link

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Tyler Kolota18 May 2022 6:13 UTC
12 points
1 comment4 min readEA link

[Question] How to give as you earn in the UK? GAYE vs. GiftAid

Anon-biosec-account14 Jul 2020 18:18 UTC
2 points
2 comments1 min readEA link

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ColdButtonIssues7 Nov 2022 0:03 UTC
32 points
15 comments4 min readEA link

Mak­ing large dona­tion de­ci­sions as a per­son fo­cused on di­rect work

Ben Kuhn27 Dec 2021 18:19 UTC
37 points
16 comments3 min readEA link

Con­sider Fi­nan­cial In­de­pen­dence First

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51 points
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